Could any QB succeed in Philly right now?

[im12whatisthis]

If Bell is on the field, nope.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

luck and cutler have worse pass blocking lines but have better stats both teams are doing well too

Cutler stats aren't that much better and Indy's O-line run blocks poorly but their pass blocking is mediocre against mediocre D-Lines.

Vick's can't pass block anyone at all

I see you failed to mention that the reason Chi is succeeding is due to a great D which is a Lovie Smith trademark.

I see how yall do

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

but with any play call, the qb could always audible at the line, so if he sees the blitz, and knows he's got all 9's called it wouldn't be too hard to check someone into anything else

First of all, he can call audibles but I don't know how much leeway he actually has. Some of Shady's big runs were off of Vick's audibles. 2nd, the center is responsible for protection coverages as well but none of this matters when O lineman are getting beat on one on one matchups. That is the main problem

 

[calh45]

but with any play call, the qb could always audible at the line, so if he sees the blitz, and knows he's got all 9's called it wouldn't be too hard to check someone into anything else

You do realize that audibles aren't the QB just inventing plays out of the air, right?

They're usually one word checks of plays that are preset and are generally created by the coaches. If Marty and Andy don't have any audibles with any hot routes then Vick can check all he wants and he'll still get killed. It seems like Peyton and Brady are smart with their audibles because the coaching staff gives them options to counteract certain looks. I'm not sure Marty really knows or cares what the defense is doing cause if he did he might give the ball to McCoy more.

 

[yseJ]

Cutler stats aren't that much better and Indy's O-line run blocks poorly but their pass blocking is mediocre against mediocre D-Lines.

Vick's can't pass block anyone at all

colts and bears oline is worse at pass blocking than the eagles, again. at the very best the colts line is at least as bad as the eagles.

I see you failed to mention that the reason Chi is succeeding is due to a great D which is a Lovie Smith trademark.

I see how yall do

how did you make that conclusion ? I didnt say bears are succeeding because of cutler...obviously theyre riding their D first and foremost. lol Im a D guy breh...Id the be first to argue that chicago's D is the main reason for their record. but you cant deny cutler is playing better than vick given his oline is worse

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You do realize that audibles aren't the QB just inventing plays out of the air, right?

They're usually one word checks of plays that are preset and are generally created by the coaches. If Marty and Andy don't have any audibles with any hot routes then Vick can check all he wants and he'll still get killed. It seems like Peyton and Brady are smart with their audibles because the coaching staff gives them options to counteract certain looks. I'm not sure Marty really knows or cares what the defense is doing cause if he did he might give the ball to McCoy more.

Yup. Peyton in essence has the leeway to create plays at the LOS. I've seen Duke call dummy audibles and makeshift hot routes on the fly all the time.

Peyton is stay adjusting at the LOS and that's why he is the GOAT to me. He always creates a way to get rid of the ball to avoid the sack

 

[yseJ]

also...vick is not taking good care of the ball this year at all. you know how in tennis theres this temr 'unforced error'? well, mike has waay too many of those, in form of turnovers in situations that definitely do not warrant them. cant blame it on oline pass blocking either...it is what it is....

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

colts and bears oline is worse at pass blocking than the eagles, again. at the very best the colts line is at least as bad as the eagles.


how did you make that conclusion ? I didnt say bears are succeeding because of cutler...obviously theyre riding their D first and foremost. lol Im a D guy breh...Id the be first to argue that chicago's D is the main reason for their record. but you cant deny cutler is playing better than vick given his oline is worse

You said the Bears were doing well as to infer that Cutler was the main reason for their success just to bring home your point about Vick which is categorically untrue. Cutler is not playing better than Vick. Not for real. He is fortunate to have a 6'5 target in Marshall who is a great receiver who can run a wide assortment of routes.

Agree to disagree about the Colts line

 

[calh45]

also...vick is not taking good care of the ball this year at all. you know how in tennis theres this temr 'unforced error'? well, mike has waay too many of those, in form of turnovers in situations that definitely do not warrant them. cant blame it on oline pass blocking either...it is what it is....

I wouldn't argue the turnover point at all, he's fumbled without contact a couple times this season, but as far as any other QB's being able to succeed in the same situation is a very short list.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

also...vick is not taking good care of the ball this year at all. you know how in tennis theres this temr 'unforced error'? well, mike has waay too many of those, in form of turnovers in situations that definitely do not warrant them. cant blame it on oline pass blocking either...it is what it is....

So getting smashed within 2.5 seconds of hiking the ball or a center blocking the wrong LB on a blitz protection won't have any effect on if a QB drops the ball or not?

"Unforced Errors' do not apply here

 

[blackzeus]

Nah.

 

[Dr. Fauci]

but with any play call, the qb could always audible at the line, so if he sees the blitz, and knows he's got all 9's called it wouldn't be too hard to check someone into anything else

and this is the issue with this offense

Vick tried to "learn" how to play QB too late in his career. i think he wouldve been capable of doing it if he started earlier...but hes even admitted, all the way up until he got arrested, he would drop back, look for "1" reciever, and that route wasnt open, he would take off and run...and it worked for a long time. But its all over now

 

[DCMC]

Peyton, Brady

 

[yseJ]

So getting smashed within 2.5 seconds of hiking the ball or a center blocking the wrong LB on a blitz protection won't have any effect on if a QB drops the ball or not?

"Unforced Errors' do not apply here

hes had quite a few fumbles and picks in situations where the oline has zero blame. he had a fumble in the endzone the other week where he was running with the damn ball.

thats exactly what it is- an unforced error. mike has been turning the ball over more than cutler- who is a turnover machine- and marshall has nothing to do with it, really.

 

[BossDon]

but with any play call, the qb could always audible at the line, so if he sees the blitz, and knows he's got all 9's called it wouldn't be too hard to check someone into anything else

wrong. reids fatass calls timeouts and gets pissed when vick calls audibles.