You can't, as long as there are corporations, but you can starve/curb it.
Costco CEO: Raise The Minimum Wage To More Than $10 Per
- Thread starter Robbie3000
- Start date
You can't, as long as there are corporations, but you can starve/curb it.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
And how would that be done in a way that humanity can use to their advantage.
You have to understand the psychology at play here --- republicans, and especially libertarians, subscribe to a sort of morality based interpretation of economics. They feel the free market is a perfect representation of respective talents and ability. They largely believe that the rich and powerful earn their wealth and income because of their superiority, while those of middle to lower means are stationed there because of their inherent talents or lack thereof. Libertarians and republicans believe that any attempt by the govt. to adjust for the interests of the working class, is upsetting the balance of natural order --- which they believe the free market is. They think its immoral. This psychology shines through in their rhetoric, which is illogical, and counter-intuitive to a healthy economy to say the very least, but completely emotional.
Yup. After spending the last year and a half listening to conservative radio and reading the Wall Street Journal comments section its crazy to me how prevalent this belief is. Its kind of like social darwinism that at the end of the day is rationalized only by racism. Thats how they argue against the fact that Europe and the markets of all of the richest countries in the world are all "socialized". You can see the outcome of their ideal "free" markets in every 3rd world country in the world...
Slightly off topic but its funny how conservatives are able to attack any attempt to organize labor as "anti-capitalist" but I've never seen anyone argue that trade organizations, cartels, lobbying and all of the different ways corporations choose to organize themselves to protect their interests are anti-capitalist...
Labor is just as much a part of the free market as ownership and capital.
Type Username Here
Not a new member
Having the Attorney General do his job and not relinquish his duties might be a nice place to start.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Are they afraid because they're in bed with them or they fear for their career/life?
Type Username Here
Not a new member
Won't matter if the day of reckoning comes friend, now will it?
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
No one knows when that day is so lets dialogue about this some more. How do you feel about what i said in my previous post, friend.
Type Username Here
Not a new member
I did respond: does it matter to you?
Exactly right....I was going to include that, but Im glad you covered that base. That psychology is largely fueled by race. When blacks were subjugated, and we were a nation of high tax rates, high regulation, and economic circulation for the middle class, that was great because white people were of benefit. Once people of color started incorporating themselves into the economy, and the nation became browner --- those very same elements became socialism, and handouts. The elites use the wedge of race time and time again, and now its been reified, despite the fact that its against the middle class' own self interest. Its always comical when you confront the "Obama is a socialist" conservative with the fact that tax rates are lower now than under Reagan. It doesnt matter to them tho...
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
DO you think the attorney general is afraid for his life or do you think he is working with the people he should be prosecuting?
To me it makes more sense to ask why rent/food/gas are so high.
Rent is high because of the housing crisis, which itself was born largely out of bad govt policy, be it a lack of regulation or the socialization of losses/privatization of profits.
Food is cheaper than its ever been, I just read an article in Time about this.
Gas is expensive because global demand is up for petroleum. To a degree you can control this though. Drive a smaller + more efficient car and drive less.
The real financial killer is healthcare, but that is somewhat controllable too. A large driver of the spike in costs is the subsidizing of increasingly bad habits, be it gluttony, smoking, drinking or or other activities that are demonic in excess. That plus the way the healthcare system works and is priced in America. No minimum wage hike doable in reality could prepare someone w/o excellent insurance for something like a cancer diagnosis.
To keep it funky I HATE the minimum wage discussion. It's irrelevant. 95% of the working population is unaffected by it. The people who are makign minimum wage have never made a working wage, largely because they generally don't work full time. Even if they did their salary would be far from livable today.
The big reason I hate minimum wage/CEO pay talk is because it focuses on income instead of costs. We should be looking at costs. I don't care how much I make, as long as I can make enough to put money in the bank regularly and have access to good healthcare. To do that today in the US I think you need like 40-50K as a person and maybe 2x that as a family. It would be asinine to push minimum wage that far.
Do you have a link to the time article about food being cheaper than ever, I would like to read it.