Cornette is such a failure

[Henzo]

I know that. That's why the WWF was Russo-proof. He was handed the keys in WCW and twice in TNA. Nothing to show for it either that's really positive.

I don't hate hm personally just his work. I'd be cool with what he did in WCW but when history repeats itself like it did years later it's just not something I can accept. Especially being a big fan of both companies like I was.

well TNA hasn't had much to show for itself with or without him. WCW, that shyt was already tumbling towards the bushes when Russo got there.

Anyway, I bet you Cokeboy likes a Vince Russo more than one of these fly by night made-for-TV movie writers.. we'll see what happens

 

[DopeMan]

People in here praising Vince Russo? Dude killed two nationally broadcasted companies and had Vince at his peak to filter out his bs.

Corny>>>>>>>>>>Russo. Be serious now

By the time Russo went to WCW, it was already a sinking ship. Nobody could have saved that. This is what Nash and Hall said. You know more than these two

Russo's work in the Attitude Era>>>>>>>>>Cornette's life

 

[ecks12]

By the time Russo went to WCW, it was already a sinking ship. Nobody could have saved that. This is what Nash and Hall said. You know more than these two

Russo's work in the Attitude Era>>>>>>>>>Cornette's life

This.

 

[Henzo]

Interesting stuff about Corny starting with the second post on this page.

(if it comes up as "Outline" which it probably will, click Options -> Switch to: Standard, then re-paste this URL, or you can skip all that and just find the first post from July 21, 2010.)

Kinda complicated I know but worth a read

The Wade Keller Appreciation Thread - ProWrestlingOnly.com Forums

 

[StatUS]

By the time Russo went to WCW, it was already a sinking ship. Nobody could have saved that. This is what Nash and Hall said. You know more than these two

Russo's work in the Attitude Era>>>>>>>>>Cornette's life

Dudes in here defending the same guy who gave David Arquette the World Championship .

He has nothing to show for himself as a head booker at all. The guy's not greater than anything, stop it.

 

[DopeMan]

Dudes in here defending the same guy who gave David Arquette the World Championship .

He has nothing to show for himself as a head booker at all. The guy's not greater than anything, stop it.

Your ducking now

Any dumbsh1t he pulled in WCW like giving Arquette the strap was in the end irrelevant because the company was going downhill fast before he came. Lets not act like this is what really killed WCW.

No one is saying Russo was a good head booker.

Im saying Russo's work in the Attitude Era was bigger and more successful than anything Cornette did. I dont see how can anyone deny this.

 

[LezJepzin]

Go manage a JCPenney.

 

[StatUS]

Your ducking now

Any dumbsh1t he pulled in WCW like giving Arquette the strap was in the end irrelevant because the company was going downhill fast before he came. Lets not act like this is what really killed WCW.

No one is saying Russo was a good head booker.

Im saying Russo's work in the Attitude Era was bigger and more successful than anything Cornette did. I dont see how can anyone deny this.

So he gets a pass for all his bs because he had two good years of ideas that had to be filtered by one of the greatest minds in the business? Not to mention the high level of talent he had at his disposal or that he was more miss than hit.

Fact is the WWF got better when he left, WCW got worse, and so did TNA. He has no track record for defense against a guy like Cornette who's an all-time great manager, responsible for bringing up some of the better young talent of the last 2 decades, and ran a company for 4 years. Russo running a show by himself wouldn't last 4 months.

 

[Hoss]

Interesting stuff about Corny starting with the second post on this page.

(if it comes up as "Outline" which it probably will, click Options -> Switch to: Standard, then re-paste this URL, or you can skip all that and just find the first post from July 21, 2010.)

Kinda complicated I know but worth a read

The Wade Keller Appreciation Thread - ProWrestlingOnly.com Forums

Definitely worth the read. Sounds like a man capable of doing bad, bad things.

Yeah, wouldn't want to spend time with the dude, but I always found him entertaining and I think a lot of his booking ideas were great. Too corny and dated to draw money on a national scale, but that's no reason for me to dislike the guy. I'd have a different opinion if it was me he was trying to kill.

Comparing him to Russo is apples and oranges. It probably drove him crazy that someone he disagreed with so much could have greater financial success in his industry by doing exactly what Cornette hated.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

People in here praising Vince Russo? Dude killed two nationally broadcasted companies and had Vince at his peak to filter out his bs.

Corny>>>>>>>>>>Russo. Be serious now

Cornette's 1996 TL Hopper, Goon, Sultan, loser sucks a baby bottle and kisses his feat booking was just as bad as Russo's 2000 WCW debacle.

Now point me to a Cornette booked company that experienced 1/100th of the financial and creative success that the Russo led WWF did in 1997-99. Lets just be real here.

 

[StatUS]

Cornette's 1996 TL Hopper, Goon, Sultan, loser sucks a baby bottle and kisses his feat booking was just as bad as Russo's 2000 WCW debacle.

Now point me to a Cornette booked company that experienced 1/100th of the financial and creative success that the Russo led WWF did in 1997-99. Lets just be real here.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

whats so funny? Compare what the WWF was doing before Russo became head writer, to what they were doing after. Slight difference? Or was that all Vince McMahon's "genius" ideas, and he was simply paying Russo for nothing?

 

[StatUS]

whats so funny? Compare what the WWF was doing before Russo became head writer, to what they were doing after. Slight difference? Or was that all Vince McMahon's "genius" ideas, and he was simply paying Russo for nothing?

Writing a wrestling show isn't like writing an episode of The Office. All Russo did was take some ECW ideas and make it mainstream. Not to mention the great amount of talent he had to make his shyt look better, like all-time great talent.

Kane/Undertaker was good though

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Writing a wrestling show isn't like writing an episode of The Office. All Russo did was take some ECW ideas and make it mainstream. Not to mention the great amount of talent he had to make his shyt look better, like all-time great talent.

Kane/Undertaker was good though

If it were that easy to take a company that was losing millions annually, and far behind WCW in ratings and revenue, and turn it back into multi-million dollar juggernaut, why didnt the genius Jim Cornette accomplish such an easy task first?

And yeah, wwf writing is nothing like writing for 'The Office.' Russo was responsible for 3-4 hours of tv each week for close to 50 weeks. Office writers are responsible for 22 half hour episodes per year.

 

[PeripheralSummers]

Kane/Undertaker was good though

Watch Cornette's timeline. He gives many instances of how Russo's booking fukked up the original plans for Kane/Taker to be seperated until Wrestlemania (or atleast for a longer period of time). The original plans sounded better imo.

I think we cannot take away credit from Russo for the work he did during the Attitude era. However, I do not believe that Russo is the sole creator of many of the big ideas. It was a combination of a group effort and just having talented guys (e.g. Rock, SCSA, Foley).

I also do not think we should romanticize the Attitude Era. It had it's amazing highs, but also it's terrible lows. Some of the storys were just really out there if you go back and watch it.

Clearly Russo did not start the downfall of WCW. Obviously he inherited some problems from the past, as do many leaders. But under his watch he still fukked up a lot of things. So while he may not be the sole reason for WCW's demise, he contributed to it.

Cornette isn't perfect. One poster earlier stated he can pinpoint the problems of the business in a shoot interview but in practice he repeats his own flaws. I totally agree with this. His time may have passed also, but I believe he can still contribute it some ways.

I believe both Cornette and Russo are both useful, in a controlled environment.

Just my 2 cents .