Cornell West's Presidential Run is Stupid, Short sighted, and will lead to fascists taking over..

[Micky Mikey]

Can we be honest about this here. What's the point of his campaign if it will just enable a Trump or DeSantis victory? And no one in left online space wants to be honest about this because he's Cornell West.

Now that he's running for the Green party it seems he'll have a greator potential to shore up more votes.

 

[Pressure]

I honestly don't see him making much of a difference.

 

[Piff Perkins]

No it won't. There's zero evidence that he's going to attract the type of support needed to impact a general election. Am I a fan of him? No. Do I think this is a deliberate attempt to throw the election to republicans, preferably Trump? Yes. But I think there's a major miscalculation at work. There's a clear decision being made by powerful people - specifically in tech, from Elon to Jack - that the best way to get Trump (or DeSantis) elected is by splitting the democrat vote and creating chaos or bitterness. Basically they want a repeat of 2016, where an unpopular nominee lost due to apathy and indifference. The problem is that the indifference of that year was driven by two principles:

1. "Yea but Trump isn't going to win"
2. "Even if he won there's no way he'd be as bad as you say"

Well...everyone saw how both those played out. Republicans have lost or struggled in every major election since 2016. It's clear there's a large group of voters who will vote against Trump no matter what and they're the most powerful coalition in this country. Folks aren't falling for the okie doke. Also I don't think DeSantis will win the nomination but if he did, I don't think people would sit by and let him win either.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

I'll never get how people keep screaming about the importance of democracy but then always oppose 3rd party options.

Cornell West, Marianne Williamson & RFK are all better options then Biden, so why not?
You say that nobody wants to be honest about this because it's Cornell West, I say people like you don't want to be honest that Biden belongs in a elderly care facility & he's not that great of a president either.
Also hello, Biden is doing horrible in the polls!!!!
He is MUCH better than I thought he would be to be honest, he has done some good things that I didn't expect.
Of course he's better than Trump but what you don't get is that we've been here before and if we continue to think as you are expecting then we will be here forever.

There will be more Trumps, DeSantis may very well be worse, he was in charge of Torture at guantanamo bay, that MUST change and fukk up a person!!
So if you just allow the incumbent to stay in because the other side is worse then this will forever the best permanent solution because there will be more Trumps and maybe even worse.
How long will this cycle of not having a real option continue for?

Who wins in this scenario? No really I mean it, follow the money, who wins?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I'll never get how people keep screaming about the importance of democracy but then always oppose 3rd party options.

Cornell West, Marianne Williamson & RFK are all better options then Biden, so why not?
You say that nobody wants to be honest about this because it's Cornell West, I say people like you don't want to be honest that Biden belongs in a elderly care facility & he's not that great of a president either.
Also hello, Biden is doing horrible in the polls!!!!
He is MUCH better than I thought he would be to be honest, he has done some good things that I didn't expect.
Of course he's better than Trump but what you don't get is that we've been here before and if we continue to think as you are expecting then we will be here forever.

There will be more Trumps, DeSantis may very well be worse, he was in charge of Torture at guantanamo bay, that MUST change and fukk up a person!!
So if you just allow the incumbent to stay in because the other side is worse then this will forever the best permanent solution because there will be more Trumps and maybe even worse.
How long will this cycle of not having a real option continue for?

Who wins in this scenario?

Explain how RFK, a lunatic conspiracy theorist who rubs shoulders with white supremacists like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk, is a better option for black voters than Joe Biden.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Explain how RFK, a lunatic conspiracy theorist who rubs shoulders with white supremacists like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk, is a better option for black voters than Joe Biden.

I'm not aware of him being a conspiracy theorist or rubbing such shoulders but i'm guessing he must have had an interview on fox when Tucker was there or something. Listen I can't speak for him but my guess is if no one on the left, MSNBC or CNN and the likes, invites you over to their show then if you are running for president you'll gonna have to go somewhere.
If CNN and MSNBC don't invite him over then does he go nowhere? I mean is he running or not.

Also this is not about RFK, my post was about 3rd party options whoever that person may be.

So forget about RFK, going back to my post, why not Cornell.
Why must we handcuff ourselves to perpetual stagnation?

Voting for the lesser evil should never be a permanent solution

 

[mastermind]

Let that man run. You don’t have to vote for him. He knows he won’t win and just wants to get his platform out there.

 

[hashmander]

he's not bothering anybody. leave him be. oh and the fascists already won, you just don't know it yet.

 

[Micky Mikey]

I'll never get how people keep screaming about the importance of democracy but then always oppose 3rd party options.

Cornell West, Marianne Williamson & RFK are all better options then Biden, so why not?
You say that nobody wants to be honest about this because it's Cornell West, I say people like you don't want to be honest that Biden belongs in a elderly care facility & he's not that great of a president either.
Also hello, Biden is doing horrible in the polls!!!!
He is MUCH better than I thought he would be to be honest, he has done some good things that I didn't expect.
Of course he's better than Trump but what you don't get is that we've been here before and if we continue to think as you are expecting then we will be here forever.

There will be more Trumps, DeSantis may very well be worse, he was in charge of Torture at guantanamo bay, that MUST change and fukk up a person!!
So if you just allow the incumbent to stay in because the other side is worse then this will forever the best permanent solution because there will be more Trumps and maybe even worse.
How long will this cycle of not having a real option continue for?

Who wins in this scenario? No really I mean it, follow the money, who wins?

Cornell West, Marrianne Williamson, and RFK have absolutely no real shot at ever being president. Lets get real. I can respect Marrianne and RFK more because, perhaps they'll push Biden to the left while also not jeapardizing his chance at winning against Trump or DeSantis in the general. If Cornell West siphons just 2% or 3% of the vote it could be disastrous.

If Ralph Nader (in 2000) and Jill Stein (in 2016) hadn't siphoned so many Democratic votes we'd in a completely different timeline so don't act like it doesn't make a difference.

You say how long will this cycle continue when Democrats are gradually moving more and more to the left. I say we have to vote blue no matter who until the fascistic elements of the Republican party no longer are threat. We're talking about a political party that just tried doing a coup for Christs sake. What makes you think they'll be interested in maintaining democracy if they're ever given power again? This isn't the Republican party of 2000. These are hard right authoritarians who want to model America based on Hungary and Russia. You're little immature gripes about Dems not being as far left as you'd like them to be will be completely irrelevant if Trump or DeSantis becomes president.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Let that man run. You don’t have to vote for him. He knows he won’t win and just wants to get his platform out there.

No that isn't how its done and it shows he has a complete lack of understanding when it comes to the nature of the times we're living in. He couldn't even bother informing himself on all the scandals surrounding the People's Party before running as their candidate. Either he has no breadth in understanding the seriousness of politics or he's a bad faith actor. And I'm starting to lean towards that latter. Especially after hearing about that piece he did basically cosigning DeSantis.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Cornell West, Marrianne Williamson, and RFK have absolutely no real shot at ever being president. Lets get real.

The less people who say this the more possible it gets.
That's what happened in Canada.

You say how long will this cycle continue when Democrats are gradually moving more and more to the left. I say we have to vote blue no matter who until the fascistic elements of the Republican party no longer are threat.

Ok so..... forever??

We're talking about a political party that just tried doing a coup for Christs sake. What makes you think they'll be interested in maintaining democracy if they're ever given power again? This isn't the Republican party of 2000. These are hard right authoritarians who want to model America based on Hungary and Russia. You're little immature gripes about Dems not being as far left as you'd like them to be will be completely irrelevant if Trump or DeSantis becomes president.

You are saying the republican party is not the party of 2000 and that they are getting worse.
That means an increase in the importance of voting blue no matter what as time goes by, so again not only forever but importantly forever.

You're little immature gripes about Dems not being as far left as you'd like them to be will be completely irrelevant if Trump or DeSantis becomes president.

I am not a partisan, I am more someone who cares about the removal of corruption than left vs. right.
Policies should be fluid, sometimes a leftist path is better, sometimes right, and sometimes somewhere in the middle.

 

[Micky Mikey]

No it won't. There's zero evidence that he's going to attract the type of support needed to impact a general election. Am I a fan of him? No. Do I think this is a deliberate attempt to throw the election to republicans, preferably Trump? Yes. But I think there's a major miscalculation at work. There's a clear decision being made by powerful people - specifically in tech, from Elon to Jack - that the best way to get Trump (or DeSantis) elected is by splitting the democrat vote and creating chaos or bitterness. Basically they want a repeat of 2016, where an unpopular nominee lost due to apathy and indifference. The problem is that the indifference of that year was driven by two principles:

1. "Yea but Trump isn't going to win"
2. "Even if he won there's no way he'd be as bad as you say"

Well...everyone saw how both those played out. Republicans have lost or struggled in every major election since 2016. It's clear there's a large group of voters who will vote against Trump no matter what and they're the most powerful coalition in this country. Folks aren't falling for the okie doke. Also I don't think DeSantis will win the nomination but if he did, I don't think people would sit by and let him win either.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. People aren't that excited for Biden and the fear around abortion rights have died thown. All people have to do is simply not show up to vote.

Also what leads you to believe that Cornell is doing this out of bad faith?

 

[mastermind]

No that isn't how its done and it shows he has a complete lack of understanding when it comes to the nature of the times we're living in. He couldn't even bother informing himself on all the scandals surrounding the People's Party before running as their candidate. Either he has no breadth in understanding the seriousness of politics or he's a bad faith actor. And I'm starting to lean towards that latter. Especially after hearing about that piece he did basically cosigning DeSantis.

You don’t understand how democracy works.

You also don’t understand the political landscape. Cornell West will not cost Joe Biden the election. If Biden loses, it’s because he didn’t do a good job convincing voters, not because West took one or two votes, just like Gore in 2000 and Hillary in 2016.

Calm down.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

I'm not aware of him being a conspiracy theorist or rubbing such shoulders

Why would you say he's a better option and then admit you don't know what you're talking about

 

[Micky Mikey]

Ok so..... forever??



You are saying the republican party is not the party of 2000 and that they are getting worse.
That means an increase in the importance of voting blue no matter what as time goes by, so again not only forever but importantly forever.

If we have to vote blue no matter until the Republican party is deradicalized or broken up then so be if. If it takes 10 or 20 years then so be it. They're an insurgent and rogue political entity in my book. Maintaining our democracy is far more important than anything a 3rd party has to offer.

I am not a partisan, I am more someone who cares about the removal of corruption than left vs. right.
Policies should be fluid, sometimes a leftist path is better, sometimes right, and sometimes somewhere in the middle.

Lol okay.
Corruption in a one party state with mock elections will be far more worse than anything we have today.