Cooked Kings, bytchmade bigs, and shytty snitches: Your 2022-23 GOAT franchise Boss Angeles Lakers season thread

[Bilz]

There’s no shot of them shooting like that against the best defense in the league. Phoenix is horse shyt defensively. AD should be able to guard Jokic straight up without all the doubling which opens up those shots. And Denver has zero rim protection and Jokic guarding AD compared to Draymond is a joke. Vanderbilt is much more suited guarding Murray than he was Stephen, it was just that Stephen was his only defensive matchup against GS. I like our matchups.

 

[7th Letter Specialist]

I'm sorry. I'm not tryna mess up y'all thread, but brehs... everytime I see this title on the main screen that shyt be having me dying lmmfao. I'm in tears rn brehs. Keep up the good work rotflmmfao

 

[T.he I.nformant]

The gap between Jokic/Muray and Bron/AD was actually much smaller than one would think. And that was a one time career best series for Murray. Only thing close was against the Jazz in the bubble. The real factor, which people have said all along, the Nuggets had six guys play well compared to the Lakers 4.

DLO being a disaster is why the series is not 2-2 right now instead of getting swept. He couldnt just be average like a KCP or Brown.

But we benefitted from Jordan Poole being trash so those are the breaks. However, this series of all series no one saw DLO being complete ass. Except maybe @Regular_P

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

You're right/wrong.

Gamescore has this series run as higher than the Jazz opening round. However, PER has it as lower than his bubble series vs the Jazz. However, those were the only times Murray as 30 PER level player.

Typically he's anywhere between 8 to 10 points lower.

 

[Torrential]

If bron was healthy we would have won this fukking ring brehs fukk. I really dont think the gap between GSW and Denver is that big. Bron hits his shots game 1-3 its a different series

 

[jaydawg08]

If bron was healthy we would have won this fukking ring brehs fukk. I really dont think the gap between GSW and Denver is that big. Bron hits his shots game 1-3 its a different series

I think we could have had a chance to beat Denver if DLO gave you anything offensively, even with a hobbled Bron

But we got some moves we can make and just need to limit the minutes for Bron/AD in the regular season so they are fresh for another run

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

If bron was healthy we would have won this fukking ring brehs fukk. I really dont think the gap between GSW and Denver is that big. Bron hits his shots game 1-3 its a different series

Probably.

He put up 28/10/10 without any real burst to the rim in the half court.

The problem, as well of a function of his game at this age, if he cant get to the rim when he absolutely needs to he settles for shots. And when its tight he either couldnt get there or settled for shots he didnt make.

I think we could have had a chance to beat Denver if DLO gave you anything offensively, even with a hobbled Bron

But we got some moves we can make and just need to limit the minutes for Bron/AD in the regular season so they are fresh for another run

PER for the series

Denver

Jokice 29.4
Murray 29.4
Brown 16.7
MPJ 14.8
KCP 13.6
Gordon 13.3


Jeff Green 4.5



Lakers


Bron 27.5
AD 26.1
Reaves 19.8
Rui 13.7


Lonnie 8.8
DLO 5.4
Dennis 4.8
Vandebilt 2.7

Just brutal from the others. Bad game 2 from AD as well.

DLO, Dennis and Vanderbilt being as bad as Denver's 7th best player was tough.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think Nuggets are the worst matchup for the Lakers in the entire NBA. If they can beat them, the Finals should actually be easier.

Every Denver starter is shooting 39% or better from 3pt range for the postseason, led by Jokic's 48%. What a wild fukking stat.

Wild that only got one dap before the series started.

Probably.

He put up 28/10/10 without any real burst to the rim in the half court.

The problem, as well of a function of his game at this age, if he cant get to the rim when he absolutely needs to he settles for shots. And when its tight he either couldnt get there or settled for shots he didnt make.


PER for the series

Denver

Jokice 29.4
Murray 29.4
Brown 16.7
MPJ 14.8
KCP 13.6
Gordon 13.3


Jeff Green 4.5



Lakers


Bron 27.5
AD 26.1
Reaves 19.8
Rui 13.7


Lonnie 8.8
DLO 5.4
Dennis 4.8
Vandebilt 2.7

Just brutal from the others. Bad game 2 from AD as well.

DLO, Dennis and Vanderbilt being as bad as Denver's 7th best player was tough.

Like I said before the series, Denver only had 6 players they trusted but all of them were balling. Whereas you couldn't trust almost anyone on the Laker supporting cast to show up for any particular game.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Wild that only got one dap before the series started.







Like I said before the series, Denver only had 6 players they trusted but all of them were balling. Whereas you couldn't trust almost anyone on the Laker supporting cast to show up for any particular game.

Yea if DLO or Dennis were having a strong series there might have still been a game tonight. Even though Reaves was overperforming it just was a backbreaker to get nothing from the other guards.

 

[Artenche]

Bron has 29 forty-point playoffs games. Kobe has just 13.

Bron has 8 forty-point Finals games. Kobe has 1.


Claiming that Bron doesn't know how to focus on scoring when necessary is just completely at odds with reality.


Breh, he was 4-12 in the second half for a reason. NO ONE plays 48 minutes nowadays. Having a 38 year old do it on a bum foot while carrying the team on both ends is insane.

Once he put up that 31-spot in the first half, Ham needed to rest his ass for half the third quarter. fukk if they lost the lead, couldn't have been worse than it was. At least you lose the lead and then have a fresh Bron to carry you in the 4th, instead of having a wiped Bron limp along unable to elevate on anything.

Bron is an all-time efficient scorer, everyone knows that. But Bron also doesn't like posting up and he's a 6'9" forward. Kobe used to joke about this with his ass all the time. Kobe was 6'6" and didn't have LeBron's size would joke about how if he was that big he would live inside and feast more so than he did with a mean post-game. Today's game is polluted with guys either shooting a 3 or driving for a layup and shyt doesn't always have to be that binary. Yet almost every time LeBron put his back to the basket it resulted in points. If he did that more maybe he draws a double and that gives the best 3pt shooter on the team this postseason, Reaves, a chance to sync a 3 instead of them letting the man only shoot 2 3s for 50%. He's been lights out and they didn't draw up anything for him.



I was mainly referring to how they both have basketball genius but express that on the court in different ways. Sometimes, LeBron being more type-A and not wasting time trying to get teammates involved late in a game would pay off. I am not asking him to score 25 straight points as he did against the Pistons all them years ago, but he knows more than anyone sometimes going for the shot isn't the "right play" can payoff. Just look at how many circus 3s the Nuggets made when the Lakers played lockdown D on the ball handler.

You can't expect the 38 yr old to do everything, but they literally could not stop him when he did that even when tired lol. Jordan has 38 40pt playoff games in far fewer games, and 8 50pt playoff games to LeBron's 1. Kobe wasn't Jordan but very much emulated the mindset. That being; not giving the ball to teammates that stunk some nights waiting for them to show up. That's all I really meant, and the fact that he was 4-12 in the second half is proof he could've scored more beyond just being fatigued. He still played great but I think it could've been greater.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If bron was healthy we would have won this fukking ring brehs fukk. I really dont think the gap between GSW and Denver is that big. Bron hits his shots game 1-3 its a different series

Bron stans have even infected this two braincell ass rockhead.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I wonder if some of y'all would entertain these same narratives if the roles were reversed, where Bron/Lakers swept the Nuggets, and folks came out saying "random bad luck" was the difference between the two teams, that the Nuggets just needed x-player to be healthy, if the Nuggets just had hit their shots etc.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You can't expect the 38 yr old to do everything, but they literally could not stop him when he did that even when tired lol. Jordan has 38 40pt playoff games in far fewer games, and 8 50pt playoff games to LeBron's 1. Kobe wasn't Jordan but very much emulated the mindset. That being; not giving the ball to teammates that stunk some nights waiting for them to show up.

Those Jordan stats are distorted because MJ had the vast majority of his 40/50 point outbursts in early round games. LeBron almost never scored 40 in early rounds unless his team was up against the wall, he preferred to defer and play a team game, saving his huge scoring outputs for the conference finals and finals when no one else could do it.

LeBron had 8 forty-point games and 1 fifty-point game in the Finals, whereas MJ was 6 and 1 with nearly all of his coming against that WOAT Suns defense in 1993. Other than the Suns series, the only Finals games where MJ scored 40 were Game 5 against Portland and Game 6 against Utah, and he shot 15-35 to get there with Utah.

If you only look at how Bron played in actual competitive series, especially outside of those first two finals when he stunk it up, Bron was every bit as good a playoff scorer as Jordan was.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I wonder if some of y'all would entertain these same narratives if the roles were reversed, where Bron/Lakers swept the Nuggets, and folks came out saying "random bad luck" was the difference between the two teams, that the Nuggets just needed x-player to be healthy, if the Nuggets just had hit their shots etc.

If Jamal Murray was healthy last year maybe the Nuggets are going for the repeat

 

[Lakerman0834]

What he actually said was that Pau during the title runs was better than Wade during the title runs. Which is a fair case especially when comparing 2010 to 2013.





It's like you don't realize there have already been entire threads debunking this, but you keep going back to the same well.

1st options don't get "elevated" when turned into 3rd options in any case. Where was Kobe's "elevation" when we're talking Glen Rice, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Ron Artest, Lamar after Pau came on, or Pau after Dwight came on? Y'all always ignore what happened to every 3rd option on Kobe's teams was as bad or worse than what happened to 3rd options on Bron's teams. You don't even wanna talk about 2013 Dwight.

When you're talking 2nd options, pre-injuries Wade, Kyrie and pre-injuries AD looked just as good as 2008-2010 Pau did. But again, that gets ignored.



Absolutely bizarre that you build an entire narrative around Pau, when he was the exact same player before Kobe and after with the exact same numbers and impact. But ignore Rice, Malone, Payton, Odom, Artest, Dwight, Nash because none of those fit the narrative. Who the fukk does fit your "But Kobe elevates his sidekick stars!" narrative, other than Pau?

How many playoff games did pau win prior to Kobe? How many rings shaq have prior to Kobe. Now how many rings did wade have prior to bron? fukking bronsexuals and their mental illness writing paragraphs. Give bron or Jordan squads bron hand they winning 4 or 5 in a row