Conservative Internet Idiots Mega Thread

[Professor Emeritus]

Average people now have the power to live like the kings of old. I fail to see the problem. At one point, running water was a luxury. People are moee productive than ever before. What once took a factory to produce, can now be produced by a garage. Diseases that once threatened entire nations have been eradicaded. Capitalism isn't perfect, and the problems are more due to its inherent amorality (even Adam Smith acknowledged that capitalism needed outside moral guidance, in his mind religion), but it's created more prosperity for more people than any other system.

Well the first basic answer is that it's clearly destroying the entire planet with no logical manner to stop. Global warming is getting worse and worse with no ending in sight. Air and water pollution are getting worse with no ending in sight (the fact that western nations have outsourced much of their pollution production to 3rd-world nations isn't an improvement). The world's fisheries are nearly all collapsing, with no plans to stop the collapse. The world's rainforests are all being cut down or burnt down and there's no way to stop it. Soil quality is degrading everywhere. Carcinogens are more prevalent everywhere. The amount of trash produced is increasing dramatically. We could go on an on. The desire to turn every product of the Earth into a commodity means that someone who wants profit will eventually take everything.

Then look at mental health. If life is so good, why are depression rates going up? Why is anxiety going up? Why are more and more people getting medicated (or self-medicated) in order to deal with the basic functions of life? You walk into the conversation assuming this thing "prosperity" as a positive good. There may be certain correlates with materialism that are good, but materialism itself seems to have created a lot of lives that are deeply unsatisfied with their situation. And this isn't just a 1st-world problem - in 3rd world nations there are now over one billion people living in slums. By capitalistic measures a slum-dweller has an income MUCH higher than a village-dweller. But is their life better? Have you ever asked them? Is living 6 people to a room in a polluted, smokey, concrete-filled, disease-filled slum with constant fighting due to the extreme overcrowding a better life simply because you now have a higher income (much of which is spent on things like rent and groceries that you used to produce yourself), plastic products, tv shows and a mobile phone?

Even if you believe that it was capitalism that caused the actual good improvements about modernity (and not scientific and political developments that had little to nothing to do with capitalism), you have to admit that something which was good at one stage of economic development is obviously not the right approach now. Capitalism guarantees that the planet's resources will be destroyed and everything will be commodified and both environmental and human well-being have no place in the equation.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Conservative group cuts ties with Michelle Malkin

 

[wtfyomom]

Capitalism is trash, it’s simply an exploitative System. Tech advancements and medical advances came from researchers in that field not the ability to bullshyt consumers into buying shyt, all capitalists do is find ways to underpay labor and overcharge consumers, the idea that it lifts people from poverty is a joke

 

[Pressure]

Capitalism is trash, it’s simply an exploitative System. Tech advancements and medical advances came from researchers in that field not the ability to bullshyt consumers into buying shyt, all capitalists do is find ways to underpay labor and overcharge consumers, the idea that it lifts people from poverty is a joke

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Conservative group cuts ties with Michelle Malkin

She's trolling herself at this point.

That group's sole purpose is to disrupt far-right movements in order to push an explicitly racist far-right fringe movement and she praises them?

Why alt-right trolls shouted down Donald Trump Jr.

 

[wtfyomom]

what a great retort lol

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Capitalism is trash, it’s simply an exploitative System. Tech advancements and medical advances came from researchers in that field not the ability to bullshyt consumers into buying shyt, all capitalists do is find ways to underpay labor and overcharge consumers, the idea that it lifts people from poverty is a joke

Whats your alternative? Capitalism provided the wealth that allowed for the creation of a thinker class that could spend millions, even billions on R&D. Capitalism is voluntary, unlike other economic systems that are coercive. As I said before , Capitalism is not immoral, it is amoral. Bsstards can take advantage, and good people can make everyone comfortable. Your problem is with cronyism and lobbyists, not capitalism.

 

[wtfyomom]

Whats your alternative? Capitalism provided the wealth that allowed for the creation of a thinker class that could spend millions, even billions on R&D. Capitalism is voluntary, unlike other economic systems that are coercive. As I said before , Capitalism is not immoral, it is amoral. Bsstards can take advantage, and good people can make everyone comfortable. Your problem is with cronyism and lobbyists, not capitalism.

Most tech comes from Public funding not capitalism and secondly lobbying etc is capitalism , there has never been a free market and even if there was its an awful way to do things , all markets do is give the scarcest resources to the richest people . The market could decide a rich persons cat deserves milk more than a poor infant. The what other alternative argument is just a status quo bias. There’s nothing special about capitalism. It’s like me saying well slaves built the pyramids therefore slavery is a good innovative system. And no it’s not a voluntary system when you need money to live

People that defend capitalism Never have a real argument they just say a bunch of cliched talking points about “ innovation “ “voluntary “ “ free market “ “ lift people out of poverty” it’s such a transparently terrible argument

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Most tech comes from Public funding not capitalism and secondly lobbying etc is capitalism , there has never been a free market and even if there was its an awful way to do things , all markets do is give the scarcest resources to the richest people . The market could decide a rich persons cat deserves milk more than a poor infant. The what other alternative argument is just a status quo bias. There’s nothing special about capitalism. It’s like me saying well slaves built the pyramids therefore slavery is a good innovative system. And no it’s not a voluntary system when you need money to live

People that defend capitalism Never have a real argument they just say a bunch of cliched talking points about “ innovation “ “voluntary “ “ free market “ “ lift people out of poverty” it’s such a transparently terrible argument

You dismiss what you can't refute. If you disapprove of the current system, propise a new one. What's your alternative? Simple question.

As for R&D from public funds, where did the public funds come from? That capital didn't come from thin air.

Your silly cat example. The milk provider chooses who to sell to. He also should realize selling to a rich cat person while letting a kid statve would be disastrous for his company image.

The capitalist system gives no one anything. There is voluntary exchange. Saying, "you need money to live" isn't true. You need food, water, and shelter to live. You can get these by many means, either exchange of labor, to get others to provide or by making your own. You can also beg for charity. You are not forced to buy from anyone.

Lobbying is not capitalism. Governmnet has a monopoly on use of force. Governmnet shouldn't be able to grant special favors in the first place.

The newest research says the pyramids were built by skilled labor, and were paid in food.

Capitalism's achievements speak for themselves. People today live like kings in comparison to a mere 60 years ago. The average man can access the entirety of human knowledge and communicate accross the globe instantly from a device the size of a wallet for a couple hundred dollars. Lifting people out of poverty is a fact, not a talking point. Again, you dismiss that which you cannot refute. I never said capitalism was perfect, I just said it was the best.

Those who attack capitalism have no alternative ideas that don't involve central planning and government control.

 

[wtfyomom]

You dismiss what you can't refute. If you disapprove of the current system, propise a new one. What's your alternative? Simple question.

As for R&D from public funds, where did the public funds come from? That capital didn't come from thin air.

Your silly cat example. The milk provider chooses who to sell to. He also should realize selling to a rich cat person while letting a kid statve would be disastrous for his company image.

The capitalist system gives no one anything. There is voluntary exchange. Saying, "you need money to live" isn't true. You need food, water, and shelter to live. You can get these by many means, either exchange of labor, to get others to provide or by making your own. You can also beg for charity. You are not forced to buy from anyone.

Lobbying is not capitalism. Governmnet has a monopoly on use of force. Governmnet shouldn't be able to grant special favors in the first place.

The newest research says the pyramids were built by skilled labor, and were paid in food.

Capitalism's achievements speak for themselves. People today live like kings in comparison to a mere 60 years ago. The average man can access the entirety of human knowledge and communicate accross the globe instantly from a device the size of a wallet for a couple hundred dollars. Lifting people out of poverty is a fact, not a talking point. Again, you dismiss that which you cannot refute. I never said capitalism was perfect, I just said it was the best.

Those who attack capitalism have no alternative ideas that don't involve central planning and government control.

80 percent of the world lives in abject poverty. Dude you sound like a libertarian in not arguing with your childish ideology. Worker coops there’s a solution. Because some people in a few countries “ live like kings “ which is bullshyt anyway, that’s everyone ? And what keeps those other countries down ? Capitalism, imperialism is the highest form. lol ok the pyramids weren’t slaves , how about America that black people built ? Where we well paid skilled labor too ? So public funding is capitalism now ? Lol bro you guys attribute everything good to capitalism it’s like a religion

lmao at being paid in food , you mean like slaves had shelter and food otherwise you couldn’t keep using them as slaves now if they died could you ? You also couldn’t keep exploiting your labor if you didn’t give then enough to live too now? In other words a wage slave. You sound like you don’t know the slightest leftist theory

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

80 percent of the world lives in abject poverty. Dude you sound like a libertarian in not arguing with your childish ideology. Worker coops there’s a solution. Because some people in a few countries “ live like kings “ which is bullshyt anyway, that’s everyone ? And what keeps those other countries down ? Capitalism, imperialism is the highest form. lol ok the pyramids weren’t slaves , how about America that black people built ? Where we well paid skilled labor too ? So public funding is capitalism now ? Lol bro you guys attribute everything good to capitalism it’s like a religion

lmao at being paid in food , you mean like slaves had shelter and food otherwise you couldn’t keep using them as slaves now if they died could you ? You also couldn’t keep exploiting your labor if you didn’t give then enough to live too now? In other words a wage slave. You sound like you don’t know the slightest leftist theory

I wouldn't call myself a Libertarian. I believe in the sovereignty of the individual. I believe capitalism provides the greatest good for the greatest amount of people.

Yeah, worker coops can work with a few hundred people. Try that with a few million. Look at the state level "worker coops" in Maoist China. How many millions died? One of my best friend's parents grew up in Soviet Russia. The stories they would tell about the collective farms were horrifying.

Everyone can't live equally, sorry. What if I want more? Is your politburo gonna tell me I reached my allotment? FOH.

Imperialism is theft, not trade. It's literally holding a gun to people's heads! Grain was a medium of exchange in ancient Kemet, breh. They had no money in the old kingdom, only bartering, which is the free market in its purest form. They were also a theocratic monarchy with strict class hierarchy. I don't even know why they were brought up. Slavery is the polar opposite of free trade.

Again breh, public funds don't just come into being. They have to be taken from somewhere. Either taxation from the results of free trade, or tribute due to imperialist expansion. I prefer the former, and the former.

Thank you for this discussion. It's rare to get this deep on a forum without flaming.

 

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[Pressure]

what a great retort lol

You were being emotional.

 

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