Concerning education in Africa

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Yes and no. Within the right industry, you're actually better off from a quality of life perspective if you head back than if you stay here. Met a dude in Kenya of Ghanian origin. Darthmouth undergrad, Harvard MBA. Works in private equity, beaucoup money. He told me specifically, with Ghana he has the chance to build an industry, not the same in the US. In the US he's plugging into a system that already works. In Ghana the growth was there. Of course it helps that his firm is multinational and can pay him the same thing in Nairobi/Jo'Burg/Accra etc as they would in NYC.

Of course, it's hard, but at certain income levels you're actually better off back home.

+ I dapped you but I also meant to thank you for the thorough answer about the current education system in Nigeria.


The story you mentioned is a great one,.better that he sees the opportunity to build the industry in Ghana, then some White guy...or Asian guy. There was a wave of newly minted MBAs attempting similar things in West Africa in the mid 1990s. Perhaps there is a better climate for it to take root now.
 

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This thread seemed to wrap around Nigeria so far and I just wanna remind y'all, they're only an example. It's just my personal opinion, but I think the native African diaspora is paramount in the condition of us all-- and the focus can't just be money. The money has to have a purpose. I'm interested in hearing and spreading stories such as and seeing how they can influence the culture.
Patrick Awuah: Millionaire who quit Microsoft to educate future leaders - CNN
https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomeP...-return-home-to-help-build-the-country-664104

The emphasis on degrees in African culture is a bit ridiculous in my opinion and I think is the downfall of the continent. I truly believe it is a problem of character and priority. I would argue with the demographic dividend, Africa needs more of an education tailored toward industries and competitive advantages of natural resources. Each province and state which have a specific sought after natural resource should create an education system targeted toward that. For a continent that has most the available arable land in the world and yet can't feed itself I don't understand why we see Africans with so many law degrees nd not agronomists to increase agricultural yields and agro process this stuff so you don't import food.

If you have a province in the country rich with copper or other natural resources why not train geologists so they can find the next mineral site instead of multi national Glencore or BHP or other Western companies

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Ok, I can speak to Nigeria and what the options are for schooling. Gonna be a bit of a long post. I want to be as comprehensive as possible.

Let's start with the basics. You have public funded schools and private schools. Education is broken down into Kindergarten, Primary School and Secondary School (Junior and Senior). Primary school is the equivalent of 1st grade to 6th grade. Junior Secondary School (JS1 - JS3), 7-9 and Senior Secondary School (SS1 - SS3) 10-12.

Both public and private schools are set up in the same structure. Public schools are funded by the government so often times the quality is lacking. Poor facilities, unpaid teachers, etc. Public schools are funded by the Federal government through the Ministry of Education which in need of dire reform.

Private schools are now the way to go for people with means. The quality of Private school education varies by school and often times by price. When I completed high school in Nigeria (Senior Secondary School) my school fees (tuition, lodging, books, etc) was about $8,000 a year. Some schools where closer to $12-$15k a year (British International School, American International School etc).

However, where the education system really shows it's cracks is at the university level. There are numerous public universities in Nigeria but private schools are the way to go. Public universities are poorly funded, constantly on strike (teachers go on strike due to wages not being paid etc), and have been eroded of standards.

Real life example: My cousin started freshman year of college at the same time I did. I went to visit him my sophomore year in college and he hadn't finished his freshman year due to strikes. Degrees that should take 4 years end up taking 6-7 years. So now, the popular option is to study overseas (if you have the means).

The popular options are:

UK: London specifically. This is usually where you'll see more of the Nigerian elite go study. UK has always been the top destination for overseas studies. Largely owing to the colonial legacy. Law, Medicine, Engineering, Economics etc. The Nigerians I tend to see go to the UK are usually the ones that are well connected in Nigeria so they have the prospect of coming back and finding work.

Canada: Toronto especially. Canada really burst on the scene in recent years for Nigerians to study. The big pull for Canada is the prospect of working visas and permanent residency after schooling. What you have are Nigerians that come to study at 18 and by 26-28 they are full Canadian citizens with the same access to the Western world that Brits, Americans, Germans and French have. It's becoming a more and more attractive option because of the prospect of getting a work visa post graduation and not having to return to Nigeria.

US: The Nigerians that study in the US tend to have stronger ties to the US (e.g. lived here, born here, have family here) The US' system of education is different from Nigeria's which is modeled after the British. Nigerians tend to be more spread out when they come to study in the US. You'll see them in the big hubs though, NYC, ATL, DC, Houston, Chicago, Dallas etc. Funny thing is the US used to be the 2nd most popular option after the UK but Canada has kind of taken that spot. The US is probably the No. 1 in terms of post-grad education though, especially MBAs.

I would say those are the big three. Outside of that, you have Scotland (particularly for petrochemical engineering), South Africa, Ghana, Turkey, Australia, Wales, India, Malaysia and other European nations (Germany, Switzerland, France) etc.

Private universities in Nigeria are better than public universities but are still sorely lacking in terms of funding, scholarship and rigor.

In summary:

Public schooling is underfunded, disjointed and very basic. Private institutions have quality and repute for the K-12 years. Tertiary education is sub-par both at the public and private level when compared to the international standard. Even your basic community college has better facilities than 90% of the universities in Nigeria. Your flagship state school would be like a Harvard in Nigeria.

Divide Nigeria into 9-10 ethno-cultural regions. Let those regions determine education policy. Why should WAEC results in Anambra be 3 times the standard of Zamfara?
 

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What I was getting at is that the conditions and political system/climate haven't changed and there is no realistic reason to think that they will. This applies to most places.

For example...the "just working" line you used......most immigrants from developing countries know EXACTLY what that means. 24/7 electricity....24/7 running water and sewage lines...roads fixed.....police arriving when you call 911.

A lot of people in the West had visions of returning home to retire and have since reconsidered ...primarily having grown accustomed to things working. I don't see professionals, in their prime earning years, going back home to try to rebuild the social or physical infrastructure of their home country....no matter what the incentive is.
Hummm
I went back !
I was 24/25 years (maybe a bit too young)
But my move (gettin out of Europe after getting my art diploma in Paris ) was followed by a bunch of my black friends stayed there
Some went back in South Africa, others in Senegal like me and some moved onto Belgium
Looking the current situation of France, for now we dont regret it (and even though, most wont stay back europe, maybe us or south america if thats need to )
 
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I went back !
I was 24/25 years (maybe a bit too young)
But my move (gettin out of Europe after getting my art diploma in Paris ) was followed by a bunch of my black friends stayed there
Some went back in South Africa, others in Senegal like me and some moved onto Belgium
Looking the current situation of France, for now we dont regret it (and even though, most wont tray back europe, maybe us or south america if thats need to )
Interesting.

If you don't mind me asking, did you go back to teach?
Western countries tend to have the foundations and existing culture that supports artists. I'm not familiar with Senegal but were there avenues there that allowed you to practice your art and support yourself?
 

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Interesting.

If you don't mind me asking, did you go back to teach?
Western countries tend to have the foundations and existing culture that supports artists. I'm not familiar with Senegal but were there avenues there that allowed you to practice your art and support yourself?
Technically i dont support myself fully, but i do something else to get money and help.
I'm what you could say a real artist and being in front of people and teachning them my stuff (especially when i'm not someone who have really succeded) is kind of complicated, *croud problem*

But when i went back in Africa,, i did freelance online jobs like creating an 2d animated clip for an US rapper (not officially fully released yet )

So basically thats how i earned some, connecting via internet from Senegal and reaching the world and working for the ones who loved my work.

Yeah Western countries are very good for artists, thats sure but if i have a bad feeling about a country, i prefer leaving it, protesting is kind of useless.(And to be honest i wanted to go Japan back in the days xd )

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I hope i dont go off topic too much. sorry in advance if thats case.
 
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Poor infrastructure, poor pay to educators(at a primary and secondary level) and a high student to teacher ratio are some of the fundamental problems facing most public schools in my area. Most parents nowadays enroll their children in low income private schools due to the poor public education system at primary level. At a tertiary level, i''ll say that STEM courses are poorly taught, due to lack of proper inftastructure and facilities. Furthermore, Africa has not yet taken up manufacturing as it should, considering the abundance of resources, so, for instance, pursuing a couse like say, Industrial Chemistry, is a sure way of finding yourself unemployed or doing a job that has no relation to your field in the future.Corruption and mismanagement of funds also hurts tertiary, secondary and primary education institutes.The Arts and The sciences have not yet been fully embraced by society and the economy, and now schools are just plants manufacturing office labourers.
 

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Side Note: The author could have done a better job on the book cover.

The book itself is great, but yes the cover is mad generic. Looks like the cover of an annual report for a tech startup.
She doesn't duck or dodge any topics though. In fact, it covers so many of the current Coli topics, that I had to search for the proper thread to post it in.
 

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The book itself is great, but yes the cover is mad generic. Looks like the cover of an annual report for a tech startup.
She doesn't duck or dodge any topics though. In fact, it covers so many of the current Coli topics, that I had to search for the proper thread to post it in.

Just read the introduction. Straight heat this far. Well researched as well.
 

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Just read the introduction. Straight heat this far. Well researched as well.
She spent the book budget on research, and ran out of money when it was time to shoot the cover. hahahaha

I lose track of who has Nigerian roots here, so I tagged the people I remembered. Feel free to tag and share.
I think this thread will draw people,(Nig. and non Nig). who have a natural interest in the book topic.
 

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Morgan President David Wilson welcomes Professor Suleiman E. Bogoro, Executive Secretary of TETFund to the campus

New Agreement With Nigeria’s TETFund to Bring Up to 50 International Students Seeking Ph.D.s to Morgan State University Annually

- May 19, 2020


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Morgan State University, the historically Black educational institution in Baltimore, announced a new educational collaboration with the Tertiary Education Trust Fund (TETFund), a fiduciary and funding agency of the federal government of Nigeria. The five-year agreement with TETFund will create a pathway for international students to study in the U.S. and pursue a Morgan State University degree.

Through the partnership, a framework is being created in which early, mid-level, and senior career faculty and staff members from Nigeria’s 238 public universities, colleges of education and polytechnics can pursue their Ph.Ds. and postdoctoral research at Morgan State University in fields and disciplines relevant to the developmental needs of Nigeria. Toward this end, TETFund will provide the funding, via scholarships and other grants, to support the educational expenses (tuition/fees + living expenses) of Ph.D. students and the salary plus living expenses of postdoctoral students.

The agreement could bring up to 50 (no less than 30) new Ph.D. students and up to 20 postdoctoral researchers to the Morgan State campus each year. Morgan State hopes to welcome the first cohort of students from Nigeria this coming fall.

“This is an historic collaboration for Morgan State University, possibly the largest such agreement of its kind between an African nation and an American institution of higher education,” said David K. Wilson, president of Morgan State University. “Through our arrangement with the TETFund, not only will Morgan greatly enhance its standing as a high research university, but the resulting research could be globally beneficial.
 

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Yes and no. Within the right industry, you're actually better off from a quality of life perspective if you head back than if you stay here. Met a dude in Kenya of Ghanian origin. Darthmouth undergrad, Harvard MBA. Works in private equity, beaucoup money. He told me specifically, with Ghana he has the chance to build an industry, not the same in the US. In the US he's plugging into a system that already works. In Ghana the growth was there. Of course it helps that his firm is multinational and can pay him the same thing in Nairobi/Jo'Burg/Accra etc as they would in NYC.

Of course, it's hard, but at certain income levels you're actually better off back home.
Wealthy Africans are the ones leaving unless it's to their vacay spot. It's the middle class which used to exist in Nigeria and many African nations during colonizional times.
 
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