Coli Christians, was Jesus black?

[Laidbackman]

hath ἔχω I have, hold, possess. his αὐτός he, she, it, they, them, same. eyes ὀφθαλμός the eye like unto a ὡσ as, like as, how, while, so that flame of φλόξ a flame. fire, πῦρ fire, trials and καί and, even, also, namely. his αὐτός he, she, it, they, them, same. feet are πούς the foot. like fine ὅμοιος like, similar to brass; χαλκολίβανον orichalcum, or frankincense of a yellow color

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
15. fine brass—Greek, "chalcolibanus," derived by some from two Greek words, "brass" and "frankincense"; derived by Bochart from Greek, "chalcos," "brass," and Hebrew, "libbeen," "to whiten"; hence, "brass," which in the furnace has reached a white heat. Thus it answers to "burnished (flashing, or glowing) brass," Eze 1:7; Re 10:1, "His feet as pillars of fire." Translate, "Glowing brass, as if they had been made fiery (red-hot) in a furnace." The feet of the priests were bare in ministering in the sanctuary. So our great High Priest here

Brass wasn't really popular in biblical times. Copper was. Brass didn't become popular until the 18th century. Copper comes straight out the ground. That's the real Hebrew skin-tone btw.

As far as burned in the furnace, all fine medals must go through that process. Then you polish off the impurities, leaving a fine finish. Fine copper, or fine bronze, the materials that were popular during biblical times, can be practically any shade of brown, with a heavily toned finish.

 

[Laidbackman]

Highly unlikely…he probably looks like the Palestinians there today

Aren't Palestinians Arabs?

 

[Genos]

So he's a c00n then? He was knocked tf out during slavery and the colonization of Africa.

 

[H.I.M.]

1st off "black" is a false modern social construct. The closest equivalent to "black" in the Greco-Roman era when Yeshua Ben Yosef or "Jesus" lived would've been Aethiops, Niger, Afri or Mauri...in Greek, Aethiops was the most common term for people that would be considered "black" or "subsaharan African" today based upon the false modern social constructs invented by Caucazoids. In Latin, Niger (Νιγερ) was the most common term used for "black" people.

A Roman contemporary of Yeshua who lived in 1st Century CE named Tacitus designated the Yahudim (Jews) as a people of AETHIOPIAN stock in his book "Histories".

In the New Testament, in the book of Acts (13:1) when men from Judea had migrated up to Antioch to proselytize, they were called "Niger" (Νιγερ) by the locals.

Josephus, who is one of the most reliable PRIMARY sources for Israelite culture and history in "Jesus's" era, said that the "Afri" people are descendants of Abraham and is the origin of the term "Africa".

Josephus also wrote that most Romans didn't believe the scribal history of the Yahudim/Israelites which says they were originally of Mesopotamian stock, but thought were of EGYPTIAN origin.

You can also look up the Roman catacomb depictions of Yeshua and his apostles see they were depicted as a Aethiopian type people.

These are all PRIMARY SOURCES from "Jesus" which show the phenotype of his people.

I can almost guarantee you, that nobody can show PRIMARY SOURCES and eyewitness accounts showing that Yahudim/Israelites/Hebrews from that time period were "olive skinned" (whatever the hell that means) or resembled most modern day Levantines and "Middle Easterners" who are largely descended from Turkic, Slavic, Armenoid type peoples who mostly either migrated or were imported to the region as slaves and military conscripts during the late middle ages mamluk, circassian, ottoman era, except for SOME "white" looking "Middle Easterners" who descend from ancient Hurrian/Guttian/Scythian/Amorite/Hittite tribes that have been present in the region for since the late Bronze age.

The indigenous folks of the region know where most "modern middle easterners descend from. It's an open secret amongst the natives.

Notice how in both of these videos the Egyptian and the Palestinian give the true lineage of lighter skinned people in the region (MAMLUKS)


Anybody claiming modern day Levantines and "Middle Easterners" are the exact same people today as they were in antiquity, expose their ignorance on the history of the region.

Also...




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[fscballin]

We descend FROM Sub-Saharan Africans who were brought here 400+ years ago.

Goddamn you can't even strawman right.​

lmao

imagine you being someone’s father… your kids got a megalomaniac for a pops


Only you are right…..everyone else is wrong…. Let’s see if you can juelz on why the noses and lips of Egyptian statues were mutilated if they weren’t a depiction of “negroids”.. whom would be identical to same people Jesus came from.

 

[killacal]

Let's all fight over what he looked like instead of his message

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

lmao

imagine you being someone’s father… your kids got a megalomaniac for a pops

Imagine if you had a valid argument rather than lame insults.

Egyptians destroyed their own statues due to civil unrest/protests against those in-power and because of religious beliefs that dictated the 'souls' of the deceased resided in those statues.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

A Roman contemporary of Yeshua who lived in 1st Century CE named Tacitus designated the Yahudim (Jews) as a people of AETHIOPIAN stock in his book "Histories".

That meant 'Libyan' in Antiquity, not Sub-Saharan African.....

Thanks for proving that Jesus looked more like Muammar Gaddafi than Manute Bol.

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[Chip Skylark]

Nope, Jesus Christ was a Middle Eastern/Semite of the Levant

Something like this:

This

 

[filial_piety]

Aren't Palestinians Arabs?

Yes but not all Arabs are Palestinians

 

[Laidbackman]

Yes but not all Arabs are Palestinians

How do you tell the difference?

 

[H.I.M.]

That meant 'Libyan' in Antiquity, not Sub-Saharan African.....

Thanks for proving that Jesus looked more like Muammar Gaddafi than Manute Bol.

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Manute Bol is Nilo-Saharan. Ghaddafi is a post-Al-Andalus/Al-Moravid slave trade North African (Millions of slaves were shipped into North Africa from Iberia during the Middle Ages)

Again conflating modern people groups with ancient populations. You're clearly a rookie on this topic. Your posts in this thread show you're clueless on the history of the region and have alot to learn.

The whole continent was called Libya by the Greeks (according to Herodotus) BEFORE "Africa" or even Aethiopia. You literally just called Jesus an "African"

Your map literally says Aethiopia is apart of Libya



Aethiops was a term for dark skinned people regardless of where they resided in the early Greek period, whether you lived in India or West Africa. It became a Semi-Geographical term during the late Roman era.

 

[H.I.M.]

Nope, Jesus Christ was a Middle Eastern/Semite of the Levant

Something like this:

LOL.

Whoever drew this has a very active imagination. But this is not a primary source.

We don't have to play "guess work" when we have PRIMARY EYEWITNESSES describing what people of his particular tribe/nation looked like.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Manute Bol is Nilo-Saharan. Ghaddafi is a post-Al-Andalus/Al-Moravid slave trade North African (Millions of slaves were shipped into North Africa from Iberia during the Middle Ages)

Exactly. North Africans are genetically distinct from Sub-Saharan Africans and Iberians didn't replace them....

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1800851115

Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations

Aethiopia referred to North Africa in Antiquity.

Thanks again.​

 

[H.I.M.]

Exactly. North Africans are genetically distinct from Sub-Saharan Africans and Iberians didn't replace them.

Aethiopia referred to North Africa in Antiquity.

Thanks again.​

Your post continues to conflate ancient and modern people groups. Just admit you know nothing about the history of the region and are not qualified for this discussion.

Aethiopia was initially the ancient world version of "black/negro" and didn't have any particular geographical boundaries...EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE GROUPS THAT LIVED BELOW THE SAHARA IN CONTINENTAL LIBYA"

Even that fake map you found on google shows this?

Do you not see in the map YOU POSTED the whole continent was refered to as Libya and the region below the Sahara is Aethiopia?

Let me prove my points with scholastic sources while you type unsubstantiated drivel.

From the book: Africans and Africa in the Old Testament (P.34-35) by David T Adamo (PHD)