Cold War II: The United States vs Trump and Co. A Russian Affair
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I’ve been thinking about that in the back of my mind for a long time.
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Dameon Farrow
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I'm gonna say it again...if you believe trump won fair and square you also believe Mueller is wasting his time or at the very least believe trump shouldn't be investigated. I personally don't see that being true but even if Mueller drops the ball SDNY clearly has the goods. They are sneaking up fast and are coming with guns blazing. It's subtle. They clearly have been building shyt for years. It's not if but when on their end.
The heart of the investigation is election interference. To me it's obvious but folks just have to dog the left for daps on here.
Her being a woman didn't help but that's a tlr discussion.
The heart of the investigation is election interference. To me it's obvious but folks just have to dog the left for daps on here.
Her being a woman didn't help but that's a tlr discussion.
Nobody will forget, because regardless of what Mueller does they're going to vote for him again next year.
He could have indisputable proof that Trump committed treason and it won't matter. I didn't really realize it at the time but having a black president drove a lot of white voters batshyt crazy.
choc_cardigan
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It apparently drove you crazy too, with concern...but I like when you troll. Usually something big comes out afterwards
Another great post from reddit:
People need to realize this point is moot: whether or not Trump is actively aware, and intentionally operating on behalf of Russia, he has still done more in two years to advance the agenda of this hostile foreign nation, to the detriment of the US, than any other person in recent memory.
We seem hopelessly entangled in answering the question of whether he's knowingly operating on Russia's behalf and have neglected the fact that he is actively aiding Russia and harming us egregiously in the process. We have become blind to the what while we hunt for the why.
There is no circumstance where Trump ought not be immediately impeached for the things we have witnessed occur in plain sight. If you see someone on the street stabbing people, do you stand by on the sideline and ponder what events in this murderer's life led him to stab people? No, you remove him from the street and put him in a cell to prevent him from harming people, and then you uncover a motive.
Just consider what we know he has done:
And just consider that very fact alone - the fact that Trump just keeps believing things, coincidentally the things Russia says - over what everyone in his own administration tell him. The CIA, FBI, and assorted US intelligence agencies are the largest and most equipped in the world. And Donald Trump just basically shrugged and said he believed Vladmir Putin instead - because... he seemed like a nice guy? The absurdity here is self-evident. Putin is the guy accused of the crime - interfering in our election - and the US president just believes his word over his own intelligence apparatus.
You cannot be a rational person and justify this. In no rational world is this defensible. This is either treason or profound and alarming incompetence and gullibility. There is no world, after Helsinki, where someone could have made the case that Donald Trump ought to keep acting as chief executive of the US.
Now let us also remember, Russia is nothing compared to the US. The US has infinitely more muscle than Russia. This is why the policy - right up until Trump - has been to deal with them through sanctions and military conflicts where necessary.
They agitate, they hit and run, but Russia is an organized crime state whose economy is nearly collapsed, whose leadership consists of a coalition of loosely allied kleptocrats, oligarchs, and billionaires, all of whom are just as likely to knife each other as their foreign adversaries.
Had Clinton won, she would have continued her policy she advanced at the State Department, and sanctioned Russia until Putin's government imploded from the stress of Putin's brutality and kleptocracy. Which, obviously, is why he pulled out all the stops to ensure Clinton did not win the election.
The evidence is unambiguous. Trump - for reasons we do not know but ought not really care - betrayed, is betraying the US to Putin's Russia, each and every day.
So, I ask - why do we care whether he's a card-carrying Russian agent enthusiastic about the cause, a victim of blackmail, a seeker of quid pro quo, or just a really gullible imbecile?
He is clearly and transparently committing treason right out in the open. He has sacrificed our security and our interests to advance Russia's. Ignorance is not an excuse here. Let the courts sort that out, but this is far and away grossly impeachable behavior, and a level of embarrassing and humiliating subservience the likes of which have never been witnessed from an American leader on the world stage.
And let's not forget - let's always footnote talk about Trump's treason with the fact that this is just one of MANYseparate, discrete, and unique massive, impeachable scandals. On top of pursuing the agenda of a hostile foreign nation, he also committed numerous acts of campaign finance violation, stood behind and refused to condemn nazis and white supremacists, publicly attacked private citizens and the media, condemned his own agents and agencies for legally investigating him, told nearly ten thousand lies about things ranging from serious to extremely mundane, appointed his own family members to positions far above their capacity (breaking many ethics laws and vetting procedures to do so and get them clearance).
And the list goes on. Seriously, it goes on and on and on and on. I could exhaust myself listing out the oaths Trump has betrayed, the crimes he has committed, the many more crimes he has probably committed, the constitutional amendments he has attacked or condemned, all of which, in and of themselves, should warrant impeachment or serious scrutiny.
The last President was impeached, by Republicans, for one - one - count of perjury, about a meaningless sexual exploit. Which was an actual example of a perjury trap, by the way, wherein the prosecutor gets the defendant on the stand, on the record, for a crime - in this case, the Whitewater investigations into Clinton's real estate dealings, and then questions him about something embarassing but irrelevant and not illegal, compelling the defendant to lie and commit perjury to prevent embarassment.
That's what Republicans thought qualified a previous President for impeachment.
And now we come to Trump, who has a list of genuine impeachable criteria so long I legitimately can't remember all of them in one go. of these things. All of these individual scandals or crimes or gross acts of idiocy demonstrating severely compromised judgment and ability to execute the powers of the office.
And then you add actual treason on top of it. A violation of America and its interests not only inconceivable in its treachery, but to a far, far, far weaker adversary.
So what the fukk is he still doing in the oval?
We seem hopelessly entangled in answering the question of whether he's knowingly operating on Russia's behalf and have neglected the fact that he is actively aiding Russia and harming us egregiously in the process. We have become blind to the what while we hunt for the why.
There is no circumstance where Trump ought not be immediately impeached for the things we have witnessed occur in plain sight. If you see someone on the street stabbing people, do you stand by on the sideline and ponder what events in this murderer's life led him to stab people? No, you remove him from the street and put him in a cell to prevent him from harming people, and then you uncover a motive.
Just consider what we know he has done:
- He advanced a withdrawal from Syria - against all counsel of all relevant experts - to Russia's delight. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.
- He has refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions on Russian companies. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.
- He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.
- He has conducted FIVE completely private meetings and conferences with Putin, and has gone to great lengths to prevent literally anyone, even people in his administration, from learning what was discussed. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.
- He has lied countless times about having business interests in Russia, which have been clearly and undeniably proven false in extremely public ways. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.
- He pulled out of the INF treaty, which allows Putin to create missiles that can threaten Europe with impunity, whereas before, there would be sanctions and severe penalties for doing so. The US already has all the weaponry that the INF would ban the development of, so this offers us literally nothing, while allowing Russia to develop powerful new weapons to challenge our allies. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.
- Trump insults the President of Montenegro, a country I am extremely confident he never knew existed up until that point, for literally no apparent reason... except Putin was furious at them. There's quite literally no possible other justification for this. I dare someone to even try. And of course, no explanation was ever provided to the American people.
- And no list would be complete without his repeated threats to pull out of NATO, over money, a move so catastrophically stupid, so inconceivably cosmically myopic, I truly can't express the profundity of the idiocy. Suffice to say, pulling out of NATO would be like the only guy in a prison yard with a shotgun just throwing it over the fence for absolutely no reason, suddenly giving the people with crude homemade shivs complete power. Again, no explanation beyond the pitiful ramblings of a single real estate con man was ever provided to the American people for this decision.
And just consider that very fact alone - the fact that Trump just keeps believing things, coincidentally the things Russia says - over what everyone in his own administration tell him. The CIA, FBI, and assorted US intelligence agencies are the largest and most equipped in the world. And Donald Trump just basically shrugged and said he believed Vladmir Putin instead - because... he seemed like a nice guy? The absurdity here is self-evident. Putin is the guy accused of the crime - interfering in our election - and the US president just believes his word over his own intelligence apparatus.
You cannot be a rational person and justify this. In no rational world is this defensible. This is either treason or profound and alarming incompetence and gullibility. There is no world, after Helsinki, where someone could have made the case that Donald Trump ought to keep acting as chief executive of the US.
Now let us also remember, Russia is nothing compared to the US. The US has infinitely more muscle than Russia. This is why the policy - right up until Trump - has been to deal with them through sanctions and military conflicts where necessary.
They agitate, they hit and run, but Russia is an organized crime state whose economy is nearly collapsed, whose leadership consists of a coalition of loosely allied kleptocrats, oligarchs, and billionaires, all of whom are just as likely to knife each other as their foreign adversaries.
Had Clinton won, she would have continued her policy she advanced at the State Department, and sanctioned Russia until Putin's government imploded from the stress of Putin's brutality and kleptocracy. Which, obviously, is why he pulled out all the stops to ensure Clinton did not win the election.
The evidence is unambiguous. Trump - for reasons we do not know but ought not really care - betrayed, is betraying the US to Putin's Russia, each and every day.
So, I ask - why do we care whether he's a card-carrying Russian agent enthusiastic about the cause, a victim of blackmail, a seeker of quid pro quo, or just a really gullible imbecile?
He is clearly and transparently committing treason right out in the open. He has sacrificed our security and our interests to advance Russia's. Ignorance is not an excuse here. Let the courts sort that out, but this is far and away grossly impeachable behavior, and a level of embarrassing and humiliating subservience the likes of which have never been witnessed from an American leader on the world stage.
And let's not forget - let's always footnote talk about Trump's treason with the fact that this is just one of MANYseparate, discrete, and unique massive, impeachable scandals. On top of pursuing the agenda of a hostile foreign nation, he also committed numerous acts of campaign finance violation, stood behind and refused to condemn nazis and white supremacists, publicly attacked private citizens and the media, condemned his own agents and agencies for legally investigating him, told nearly ten thousand lies about things ranging from serious to extremely mundane, appointed his own family members to positions far above their capacity (breaking many ethics laws and vetting procedures to do so and get them clearance).
And the list goes on. Seriously, it goes on and on and on and on. I could exhaust myself listing out the oaths Trump has betrayed, the crimes he has committed, the many more crimes he has probably committed, the constitutional amendments he has attacked or condemned, all of which, in and of themselves, should warrant impeachment or serious scrutiny.
The last President was impeached, by Republicans, for one - one - count of perjury, about a meaningless sexual exploit. Which was an actual example of a perjury trap, by the way, wherein the prosecutor gets the defendant on the stand, on the record, for a crime - in this case, the Whitewater investigations into Clinton's real estate dealings, and then questions him about something embarassing but irrelevant and not illegal, compelling the defendant to lie and commit perjury to prevent embarassment.
That's what Republicans thought qualified a previous President for impeachment.
And now we come to Trump, who has a list of genuine impeachable criteria so long I legitimately can't remember all of them in one go. of these things. All of these individual scandals or crimes or gross acts of idiocy demonstrating severely compromised judgment and ability to execute the powers of the office.
And then you add actual treason on top of it. A violation of America and its interests not only inconceivable in its treachery, but to a far, far, far weaker adversary.
So what the fukk is he still doing in the oval?
It apparently drove you crazy too, with concern...but I like when you troll. Usually something big comes out afterwards
How is it "trolling" to point out that the MAGA crowd won't be swayed by Mueller?
This will be his defense when the Mueller report drops and his reasoning for pardoning the entire squad. That is the endgame to his daily WITCH HUNT rants.
pointing out how shyt is in real life = trolling, and supporting trump. you should know this by now :jayfdup:How is it "trolling" to point out that the MAGA crowd won't be swayed by Mueller?
haha I was thinking about this on v-day when neither trump or his wife sent out a v-day message to each other on twitter. meanwhile obama/michelle had beaufitful messages of love and unity. but hey the republicans are the party of family values they say.
forget obama tho. when i read about mueller and his life and see republicans actively trying to destroy his character all for nyc con-man/playboy i really start wanting retribution for what these maga cacs have caused. they should speak on patriotism or family values ever again. if one of them starts getting loud, it's our duty to backhand the hell out of them into submission. seriously, they are lucky we don't take their ability to vote away this is how egregious their sin is imo.
Trump has to be their patsy I think. From everything we’ve been seeing the past two years + it looks to me like they’re acting out “Humpty Dumpty” in real time. Can they successfully throw Trump away and escape with little to no damage on their organizations? You know Trump ain’t about to go down by his lonesome if it happens though
choc_cardigan
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I have a better question for you, why do you feel the need to repeat that same statement over and over again, especially in this thread? Do you think we dont know that? Do you think you're enlightening us?How is it "trolling" to point out that the MAGA crowd won't be swayed by Mueller?
GnauzBookOfRhymes
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RR has seen everything. And as much of an "establishment" guy he is, in terms of sticking to DOJ precedent etc - there is ZERO chance, IMO, that he would go along with any attempted cover up. I just don't see that happening. And he's smart enough, and knows all of these people (Barr, etc) well enough to notice if they take substantive steps to make that happen.
I think one reason he's so nonchalant about all these losers that trump ends up appointing/promoting (Barr, Whitaker) is that 1) he knows everything and he knows Mueller does as well (plus more) and 2) i think he gives these people the hint that knowing what he knows, that if there is an attempt to stonewall or cover up, that he would actively fight it and even speak up after the fact (if he were no longer in office).
I think one reason he's so nonchalant about all these losers that trump ends up appointing/promoting (Barr, Whitaker) is that 1) he knows everything and he knows Mueller does as well (plus more) and 2) i think he gives these people the hint that knowing what he knows, that if there is an attempt to stonewall or cover up, that he would actively fight it and even speak up after the fact (if he were no longer in office).
