Cliven Bundy Muses On What He Knows 'About The Negro'

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Also, Clive Bundy's family doesn't have ancestral right to the land. His family apparently bought land in the area in the 1950s. He's a liar, racist, redneck scumbag. All c00ns need to be deaded.
 

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It is, in a way, too bad that Cliven Bundy — the rancher who became a right-wing hero after refusing to pay fees for grazing his animals on federal land, and bringing in armed men to support his defiance — has turned out to be a crude racist. Why? Because his ranting has given conservatives an easy out, a way to dissociate themselves from his actions without facing up to the terrible wrong turn their movement has taken.

For at the heart of the standoff was a perversion of the concept of freedom, which for too much of the right has come to mean the freedom of the wealthy to do whatever they want, without regard to the consequences for others.

Start with the narrow issue of land use. For historical reasons, the federal government owns a lot of land in the West; some of that land is open to ranching, mining and so on. Like any landowner, the Bureau of Land Management charges fees for the use of its property. The only difference from private ownership is that by all accounts the government charges too little — that is, it doesn’t collect as much money as it could, and in many cases doesn’t even charge enough to cover the costs that these private activities impose. In effect, the government is using its ownership of land to subsidize ranchers and mining companies at taxpayers’ expense.

It’s true that some of the people profiting from implicit taxpayer subsidies manage, all the same, to convince themselves and others that they are rugged individualists. But they’re actually welfare queens of the purple sage.

And this in turn means that treating Mr. Bundy as some kind of libertarian hero is, not to put too fine a point on it, crazy. Suppose he had been grazing his cattle on land belonging to one of his neighbors, and had refused to pay for the privilege. That would clearly have been theft — and brandishing guns when someone tried to stop the theft would have turned it into armed robbery. The fact that in this case the public owns the land shouldn’t make any difference.

So what were people like Sean Hannity of Fox News, who went all in on Mr. Bundy’s behalf, thinking? Partly, no doubt, it was the general demonization of government — if someone looks as if he is defying Washington, he’s a hero, never mind the details. Partly, one suspects, it was also about race — not Mr. Bundy’s blatant racism, but the general notion that government takes money from hard-working Americans and gives it to Those People. White people who wear cowboy hats while profiting from government subsidies just don’t fit the stereotype.

Most of all, however — or at least that’s how it seems to me — the Bundy fiasco was a byproduct of the dumbing down that seems ever more central to the way America’s right operates.

American conservatism used to have room for fairly sophisticated views about the role of government. Its economic patron saint used to be Milton Friedman, who advocated aggressive money-printing, if necessary, to avoid depressions. It used to include environmentalists who took pollution seriously but advocated market-based solutions like cap-and-trade or emissions taxes rather than rigid rules.

But today’s conservative leaders were raised on Ayn Rand’s novels and Ronald Reagan’s speeches (as opposed to his actual governance, which was a lot more flexible than the legend). They insist that the rights of private property are absolute, and that government is always the problem, never the solution.

The trouble is that such beliefs are fundamentally indefensible in the modern world, which is rife with what economists call externalities — costs that private actions impose on others, but which people have no financial incentive to avoid. You might want, for example, to declare that what a farmer does on his own land is entirely his own business; but what if he uses pesticides that contaminate the water supply, or antibiotics that speed the evolution of drug-resistant microbes? You might want to declare that government intervention never helps; but who else can deal with such problems?

Well, one answer is denial — insistence that such problems aren’t real, that they’re invented by elitists who want to take away our freedom. And along with this anti-intellectualism goes a general dumbing-down, an exaltation of supposedly ordinary folks who don’t hold with this kind of stuff. Think of it as the right’s duck-dynastic moment.

You can see how Mr. Bundy, who came across as a straight-talking Marlboro Man, fit right into that mind-set. Unfortunately, he turned out to be a bit more straight-talking than expected.

I’d like to think that the whole Bundy affair will cause at least some of the people who backed him to engage in self-reflection, and ask how they ended up lending support, even briefly, to someone like that. But I don’t expect it to happen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/opinion/krugman-high-plains-moochers.html?hpw&rref=opinion

Could you imagine if he was black?

Some black dude with 14 kids grazing federal land for free since 1993;
refuses to pay his grazing fees;
loses in Court 4 times;
publicly refuses to acknowledge very the existence of the federal government;
brings some armed militias for help (neo black panthers!) and points guns at fed agents
Would fox news and conservatives support him? :heh:
 

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hes owes the gov money for grazing his stock on their lands

thats as simple as it gets

Man, this is crazy.

I'm just now reading about this. This dude met the feds/govt with an armed group of his own men....and the feds backd off?:mindblown:

You realize how many racist white ppl now view this guy as a hero....especially since the head of the govt is a Black man(Obama)?

On that same note, if a group of Black ppl met the feds with every illegal automatic weapon in the hood, they would've been blown to smithereens. They'd snipe us from 500 yards away before they let us show them up.
 

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Man, this is crazy.

I'm just now reading about this. This dude met the feds/govt with an armed group of his own men....and the feds backd off?:mindblown:

You realize how many racist white ppl now view this guy as a hero....especially since the head of the govt is a Black man(Obama)?

On that same note, if a group of Black ppl met the feds with every illegal automatic weapon in the hood, they would've been blown to smithereens. They'd snipe us from 500 yards away before they let us show them up.
Well yea, no one in the nation will care if black people are killed because obviously america is run by white supremacists and that is the culture of the land. If a bunch of rednecks get blown away it will hurt the presidents approval ratings, even if they're criminals.
 
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Man, this is crazy.

I'm just now reading about this. This dude met the feds/govt with an armed group of his own men....and the feds backd off?:mindblown:

You realize how many racist white ppl now view this guy as a hero....especially since the head of the govt is a Black man(Obama)?

On that same note, if a group of Black ppl met the feds with every illegal automatic weapon in the hood, they would've been blown to smithereens. They'd snipe us from 500 yards away before they let us show them up.

How did Bundy get away with not paying taxes for 20 years but Wesley Snipes was jailed for not paying taxes for less than 5 years?

How did Bundy get away with brandishing and threatening the federal government with automatic weapons, yet a nikka can't even escape government-mandated murder if he refuses to remove his hands from his pockets?

How did Bundy get away with offering to his women as human shields in the event of a firefight with the government?
 
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