Classics Discussion: Bone Thugs-N-Harmony

[Wacky D]

no diss but i always find it funny how @SirBiatch is this big time asap rocky fan, but he always chits on practically all of asap's biggest influences and/or favorite rappers.

to the point where as soon as i saw his name, i already knew what this was hittin for.

 

[Still Benefited]

Frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. The only reason you're responding to me is because you're in your feelings that I don't consider any Bone Thugs album classic. I'm not the only person in this thread that feels this way, but hey, the name SirBiatch gets feelings crushed. So you brought up Lil B on some deflection shyt, without even doing your homework to figure out the proper context.

I can't believe I have to spell this out for you, but
a) any post regarding Lil B is always going to be made with a dash of trolling/humor because that's Lil B's thing. Sorting out the truth from the humorous bullshyt is a big part of what makes Lil B appealing

b) bring this up when we have a classic songs discussion, not albums. I appreciate that you hang onto my every word and try to find chinks in my armor when your feelings are compromised Don't worry, you'll get me next time!

No shyt I'm responding because you disagree,thats what we do here,,the only reason its you is because you were the first person to be wrong....Don't worry breh, I'ma get on somebodys else in here any minute now that I'm done with you

As much as I hate to step foot in it,maybe I'll go in that Lil B thread is to see the conext since you say I'm wrong....If I'm wrong on the context I'm wrong and can admit it

Just like it sounds like your admitting that you were partially trolling because that's what Lil B does?Fair enough,you didn't ACTUALLY mean that bullshyt....Good,so that fake opinion no longer has any relevance on this thread,but it clearly did before that humble admission.

Now were back to square one with you just having what i PERSONALLY consider bad taste,carry on

 

[SirBiatch]

no diss but i always find it funny how @SirBiatch is this big time asap rocky fan, but he always chits on practically all of asap's biggest influences and/or favorite rappers.

to the point where as soon as i saw his name, i already knew what this was hittin for.

it's funny you say that. and this is no diss to you. You have a fair point. I know on the outside it seems weird but if I explain it to you, maybe you'll see my perspective.

I just think Rocky outdid most of his influences. When you look at 50% of Rocky's core influences, they're Bone Thugs and 3-6 Mafia. The other 50% is other shyt there but lets deal with those two for a second.

Bone Thugs and 3-6 Mafia had some interesting ideas, but imo (and I'll catch flak for this), they were never fully formed. They'd have one cool thing bundled up with 4 other garbage things, and they would just run with the gimmick.

Look at E.1999 for example. Aside from the fact that the sing-songy flow gets old when your entire crew of 4 people do the same style over an entire song, what really kills E.1999 is the production. It's dated G-funk. And not even good G-funk. It's just passable. If you take a style from one region and bring it to a different region, you need to reconfigure it for that region.

Yams and Rocky were smart enough to cherry pick what was dope and leave out what was corny. To this day it still blows my mind how Yams was able to turn some shyt as corny and forgotten as Bone Thugs (lets keep it real - the rap game wasn't checking for them AT ALL until Rocky showed up) and turn into one of the dopest things I've ever heard. You have to be a superb tastemaker to figure some shyt out like that.

They figured: the Bone Thugs flow is really cool, but not over an entire song. We'll just do it in parts. For example, Palace. Rocky starts off rhyming regularly, then switches to the Bone flow for effect. It's not his entire flow.

I'll talk about 3-6 another time

 

[Wacky D]

Look at E.1999 for example. Aside from the fact that the sing-songy flow gets old when your entire crew of 4 people do the same style over an entire song, what really kills E.1999 is the production. It's dated G-funk. And not even good G-funk. It's just passable. If you take a style from one region and bring it to a different region, you need to reconfigure it for that region.

bone is 5 people and none of them rapped the same breh. and on top of that, they were all versatile & didnt stay stuck on the same chit - which is actually one of the things that hurt their draw in the long run. they kept changing up too quick for the fans' taste.

e.99 eternal is not g-funk. at best, theres like 2 tracks with g-funk influence. maybe.

as far as 3-6 mafia goes, i dont know if im gonna agree with what you have to say specifically, but i do view them as a group whose ideas were greater than their actual product.

bone thugs tho? nah breh.

 

[SirBiatch]

bone is 5 people and none of them rapped the same breh.

Really? Their delivery and flows were so drastically different?

e.99 eternal is not g-funk. at best, theres like 2 tracks with g-funk influence. maybe.

I dunno about that.

Just google e1999 g funk. See how often people associate them with G-funk.

E. 1999 Eternal Turns 20

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - E.1999 Eternal - On Second Thought - Stylus Magazine

as far as 3-6 mafia goes, i dont know if im gonna agree with what you have to say specifically, but i do view them as a group whose ideas were greater than their actual product.

exactly. same way I view Bone Thugs.

3-6 Mafia's "dark Memphis bounce" is fukking brilliant. Some super unique shyt. But their songs were shyt for the most part. They reused the same bounce countless times on tracks with no verses. Just chants. That shyt gets boring.

Rocky took the coolest part (the bounce, maybe a couple chants) and left everything else that didn't work. Expanded on it.

So overall, it's possible for me to be a Rocky fan while not being the biggest fan of his predecessors. It's not possible for me to be a Rocky fan and not respect what his predecessors brought to the table.

 

[Wacky D]

this makes for a good ass spin thread.

 

[Taadow]

Voted yes on E 1999 and Art Of War, would've voted yes on Creepin' On Ah Come Up.

Creepin' is one of two classic EPs, the other being Kill At Will.


The only legit criticism someone can have on Art Of War in my opinion is "it didn't live up to the hype".
But even then my reply to that is, "nothing they released could've lived up to all the hype around that album...but it's still that dope."

 

[Wacky D]

Really? Their delivery and flows were so drastically different?



I dunno about that.

Just google e1999 g funk. See how often people associate them with G-funk.

E. 1999 Eternal Turns 20

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - E.1999 Eternal - On Second Thought - Stylus Magazine



exactly. same way I view Bone Thugs.

3-6 Mafia's "dark Memphis bounce" is fukking brilliant. Some super unique shyt. But their songs were shyt for the most part. They reused the same bounce countless times on tracks with no verses. Just chants. That shyt gets boring.

Rocky took the coolest part (the bounce, maybe a couple chants) and left everything else that didn't work. Expanded on it.

So overall, it's possible for me to be a Rocky fan while not being the biggest fan of his predecessors. It's not possible for me to be a Rocky fan and not respect what his predecessors brought to the table.

yes indeed. all 5 members of bone thugs are drastically different. it sounds like you didnt REALLY listen to their chit.

they get associated with g-funk via affiliations - west coast. ruthless records, eazy-e, dj u-neek, etc.

but they didnt make g-funk records. at best, they had maybe a handful of tracks that sound g-funk influenced. but outside of that, they didnt make g-funk music at all.

oh, i can understand being a fan of somebody but not their predecessors. its just crazy how you seem to not rock with ANY of his predecessors.

 

[Taadow]

3-6 Mafia's "dark Memphis bounce" is fukking brilliant. Some super unique shyt. But their songs were shyt for the most part. They reused the same bounce countless times on tracks with no verses. Just chants. That shyt gets boring.

Rocky took the coolest part (the bounce, maybe a couple chants) and left everything else that didn't work. Expanded on it.

Three minutes of "suck a nicca dicc or somethin'" over a Paul & Juicy beat >>> Asap Rocky's life

 

[SirBiatch]

yes indeed. all 5 members of bone thugs are drastically different. it sounds like you didnt REALLY listen to their chit.

they get associated with g-funk via affiliations - west coast. ruthless records, eazy-e, dj u-neek, etc.

but they didnt make g-funk records. at best, they had maybe a handful of tracks that sound g-funk influenced. but outside of that, they didnt make g-funk music at all.

oh, i can understand being a fan of somebody but not their predecessors. its just crazy how you seem to not rock with ANY of his predecessors.

eh. possibly. But I find that hard to believe. I'm a man of a certain age. I grew up listening to them. Owned Art of War and maybe even E1999. You couldn't avoid them in the mid 90s.

Their flow is so similar to me. Their voices are definitely different. But their flows were not so drastically different. That's a

 

[DrexlersFade]

I'm my opinion why I considered Art of War a classic is because Krayzie was on another level his and flow and hook game was unfukkwitable he ascended on that album




Low key songs like this the hook and the way he attacked that verse to set shyt off

fukk 'em, let the law end
'Cause we simply get the raw end
Coffins open, dump 'em all in

Nine millimeters, three-eighty's
You're feelin' me kill 'em, 'cause I go with plenty artillery
Come and get showed, there'll be gauges and uzis
Let us begin with bullets
Can't none of ya break off a nikkas from prison
And let 'em come with us - retaliation
We come and blast 'em with leather masks on
Let loose

fukking flawless on this album

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

Art of war and e.1999 are classics I still listen to to this day.. I played art of war until my CD player ate that fukking CD. I had e1999 on tape then had it on CD which was my first CD ever. I didn't care for the last two. shyt wasnt as bad as mo thug records but that shyt was up there.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

For me everything up to BTNHResurrection is classic. After that i didnt like the overall product.

 

[Robbo]

Creepin is a classic whether you put it on your poll or not.

Voted yes for E99 and Art of War. AOW probably won't get the votes but it's a personal classic. The group was falling apart around the time of its release otherwise they could have made more videos and given it the proper push. E99 should be pretty much unanimous.

I really liked Art of War too but couldn't call it a classic. E.99 was to me...but AoW didn't cut it...the album brings a lot of memories but overall I just can't call it a classic.. Didn't hit me like E.99 did

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Matter of fact I just looked at wiki and they have E99 as Bone Thugs second album,even wiki knows

no they don't

Bone Thugs-n-Harmony discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia