City of Oakland set to re-fund the police

[DEAD7]

Defund the Police was a stupid slogan to begin with.

 

[mastermind]

The video is worth watching, but public safety realities have prompted that city's leadership to alter decisions made just months ago.

Example

City of Oakland | City Council Votes to Fund An Additional Police…
Where a decision was made about an additional police academy. Community feedback prompted the change in votes.

Community feedback, crime, and public safety concerns are what are prompting the mayor and these council members to call for more funding for the police dept and more officers on the beat. I believe the police budget for next year was less than what the mayor proposed, and that it was cut before approved by the city council. The reversal of those decisions, and why....is what the press conference was about. They are supposed to release a more fleshed out statement about this on Friday.

The deflection comes from the news clip in OP pretty much laying out what I've written here, yet people being reluctant to accept what is happening. Cities that were at the center of defund the police movements are forced by realities to inevitably bring in MORE police officers. That the alternative plans/routes where the money is to be reallocated may be long term ways of addressing crime, but public safety realities are what they TODAY.

THEY NEVER REDUCED POLICE FUNDING!

You are a fukking bimbo and its tragic because you really think you are a lot more intelligent than you are. You type and copypasta all of this and still haven't shown where they decreased police funding.

 

[storyteller]

A deflection is dismissing or dodging the statement or argument being made, I did not do that, but you can point where I did that.

An argument etched in semantics generally occurs when someone is being pedantic/too literal ignoring context, I did not do that, but again you can point to where I did that.

In regards to the video, I am not watching a 35 min video, so timestamp the part that A) supports the argument that they defunded the police B) undermines the link's argument that there was no defunding.

Ironically, I'd say he's the one deflecting and playing semantics while making no attempts to show that police were in fact defunded besides taking someone else's words at face value

 

[Hood Critic]

Berkeley did

Never actually happened and the proposal would have just shifted monies to groups who ultimately were still in the BPD chain/pipeline.

'Step it up': Berkeley community opposes lack of public safety funds in budget proposal

 

[Hood Critic]

Portland, OR did.

Another case where a meager portion of the police budget was "slashed" then put back. That $15M or so just ended up cutting resource officers and transit police. LA and NY have done the exact same things and their police budgets are much larger.

Every city that has re-allocated funds has looked to do so to public safety organizations that still align with the police. Which for the record, is the right thing to do.

My original point was that no city, no matter how good the intentions, has actually permanently taken a significant portion of a police budget to make any real changes. And every last one has started slowly putting the money back into the police budget.

 

[No1]

Another case where a meager portion of the police budget was "slashed" then put back. That $15M or so just ended up cutting resource officers and transit police. LA and NY have done the exact same things and their police budgets are much larger.

Every city that has re-allocated funds has looked to do so to public safety organizations that still align with the police. Which for the record, is the right thing to do.

My original point was that no city, no matter how good the intentions, has actually permanently taken a significant portion of a police budget to make any real changes. And every last one has started slowly putting the money back into the police budget.

Fam, at the end of the day people want to be right more than they want to be accurate. Once you accept that, you’ll stop responding to it.

 

[the cac mamba]

the way that the right is able to take this fringe, far left bullshyt, and completely lie about it and blow it up into fake issues

defund the police, CRT, "socialism". none of it real, yet totally in the national conversation

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Never actually happened and the proposal would have just shifted monies to groups who ultimately were still in the BPD chain/pipeline.

'Step it up': Berkeley community opposes lack of public safety funds in budget proposal

it did, and the point of defunding was removing certain services and responsibilities from armed police, which they did

City of Berkeley Approves Police Defunding Plan

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Another case where a meager portion of the police budget was "slashed" then put back. That $15M or so just ended up cutting resource officers and transit police. LA and NY have done the exact same things and their police budgets are much larger.

Every city that has re-allocated funds has looked to do so to public safety organizations that still align with the police. Which for the record, is the right thing to do.

My original point was that no city, no matter how good the intentions, has actually permanently taken a significant portion of a police budget to make any real changes. And every last one has started slowly putting the money back into the police budget.

that's the point this thread was making, whether premature, just grandstanding in the face of last year, crime fear-mongering, actual spikes in crime, etc. cities, for whatever reason, have come to the conclusion to refund the police

 

[get these nets]

Another case where a meager portion of the police budget was "slashed" then put back. That $15M or so just ended up cutting resource officers and transit police. LA and NY have done the exact same things and their police budgets are much larger.

Every city that has re-allocated funds has looked to do so to public safety organizations that still align with the police. Which for the record, is the right thing to do.

My original point was that no city, no matter how good the intentions, has actually permanently taken a significant portion of a police budget to make any real changes. And every last one has started slowly putting the money back into the police budget.

I agree with much of what you wrote here, but the first part of this is a bit of goal post moving from your first post. In the two years where these measures have gotten significant push, Portland has been the most notable example of a city taking a step to defund. You said that no city has.

Your overall point is not lost on me, though. The city of Minneapolis had a ballot question about the exact same thing you're talking about last month. It failed, and it did so for some of the reasons why many of the funding questions across the country will be decided, public safety concerns.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Portland, OR did.

I wouldn't call $15m out of a $230m+ budget defunding, but that's just me.

 

[get these nets]

I wouldn't call $15m out of a $230m+ budget defunding, but that's just me.

But in the article about the topic that you introduced in another thread

What does actual police reform look like?

This line was used explaining the range of options and schools of thought about defunding the police.

Groups have a range of demands, with some seeking modest reductions and others viewing full defunding as a step toward abolishing contemporary police services.

What happened in Portland would seem to qualify as a modest reduction, wouldn't you say?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

But in the article about the topic that you introduced in another thread

What does actual police reform look like?

This line was used explaining the range of options and schools of thought about defunding the police.



What happened in Portland would seem to qualify as a modest reduction, wouldn't you say?

No, not when you look at which services were impacted.

 

[get these nets]

No, not when you look at which services were impacted.

Goal post shifting here, but that's your take/opinion on the matter. It's cool.

More important than either of our takes is that lawmakers and voters are taking steps to protect their residents and communities from crime.

 

[mastermind]

Goal post shifting here