The verses were not throwaways. The beats and skits were vintage wu. Cilvaringz is a clown, but this album, from what I heard, is not wack.
Cilvaringz Responds to Comments About Once Upon A Time in Shaolin On Reddit
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KFBF
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Speaking to them each one by one seems weird. But maybe he was scared about Rae poisoning the well.
Not to anywhere dap or give him a pardon, but him chasing RZA and Wu was like in late 98..then 9/11 happened and you know the score..Complete clown, he was the one that went to America trying to find RZA to sign to him and stayed there and his tearing up the flag
Whips-n-Chains
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Would still rather hear whatever rza has in the vaults from 93-2000 than this halfassed album
93 to 99 yes! Million percent and Cilva will agree too because he a lucky ass Fan got to hear like 100 joints from RZA stash and he heard a joint that blew his mind..this track influenced his album's production & existence
The joint is called "99 attributes to ALLAH"
Slightly off-topic but I always thought this was an incredibly weak song on The Firm's album. In some parts it sounded to me like they were completely phoning it in
That was one of the dopest songs on the album IMO..... This Desperado's and a few others.
Bugzbunny129
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Btw. As ive read dust kings review on thecoli and bez’s on wu corp. both wu heads ive paid attention to on both sites and were there for the special “36 min” version.
They both say its legit as wu can get in this day and age and just the old beat styles alone would be enough to get me there. Plus ringz replies about little info shows he 100% did not m80 buy rando verses and ly them together. He specifically asked for guys to spit like certain ways and subject matter.
Plus i believe the snippets have leaked from the australian sessions. It seems to be a totally different playlist than those who heard it in NYC. Missing a few joints but others are played in full.
I got all these joints dled. Sure sound wuality is fukked but you can hear the verses fine and get gist of the beats.
Yall listening to martin skreli a kid who didnt even listen to rap tell you what a good rap album is? Meth who is just over it (as we all are). No wu member had heard the album. Cap heard more than everyone by being at the fan session.
If your a 5 mic perfectionist like everyone on the coli it may disappoint you. If youre a realist who realizes 50 yr olds might give ya a few tracks an album if ya lucky, youll be happy because its more than a few tracks. I will try not to get my hopes up in hearing it in full but what ive heard def makes me want to listen to it as a fan.
They both say its legit as wu can get in this day and age and just the old beat styles alone would be enough to get me there. Plus ringz replies about little info shows he 100% did not m80 buy rando verses and ly them together. He specifically asked for guys to spit like certain ways and subject matter.
Plus i believe the snippets have leaked from the australian sessions. It seems to be a totally different playlist than those who heard it in NYC. Missing a few joints but others are played in full.
I got all these joints dled. Sure sound wuality is fukked but you can hear the verses fine and get gist of the beats.
Yall listening to martin skreli a kid who didnt even listen to rap tell you what a good rap album is? Meth who is just over it (as we all are). No wu member had heard the album. Cap heard more than everyone by being at the fan session.
If your a 5 mic perfectionist like everyone on the coli it may disappoint you. If youre a realist who realizes 50 yr olds might give ya a few tracks an album if ya lucky, youll be happy because its more than a few tracks. I will try not to get my hopes up in hearing it in full but what ive heard def makes me want to listen to it as a fan.
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You mind uploading your recordings?
Bugzbunny129
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Someone posted the link on here or wu corp lemme find it. Thats where i gotnit.
That's what's good
Cilvaringz is being duplicitous and you're enabling him.
You notice in his Reddit post he uses "we" immediately before he name drops RZA to give the impression to readers that RZA was involved from the beginning and they were building the album together? That's the snake trying to spin his narrative on the internet.
He concedes that "yes they didn’t know what they were recording for, because we didn’t know either, we were just doing songs, organically". It's certainly not "we" as in "Cilvaringz and RZA were just doing songs organically". It's Cilvaringz. Being a hanger-on getting throw away verses which the emcees thought were for a lil tentatively wu-related underground album that barely anyone would give a fukk about. The fee would be more than they ever anticipated to get from royalties from the tracks, and that's why they were just happy "there was a bag".
After Cilvaringz snaps out of his delusion and realises that another Cilvaringz album would go triple-polystyrene, he switches the album up to be a Wu/Wu-Fam compilation. That's what he was biggin up on message boards at the time. Next thing you know it's a Clan album. As he says himself "we had a collection of songs that put together sounded like a Clan album". Confirming it never was a Clan album, and by extension RZA wasn't involved from the get-go otherwise it would've been a Clan album from day.
Cilvaringz also concedes it was his idea for the single copy. Why? To drive value. To increase his profit. He's been riding the coat-tails of the clan since he first came around. Cilvaringz album with Wu features? Won't sell that much, especially around the 2010's. A Wu/Wu-Fam compilation? Yeah, that'll make a little more. An official Clan album? Even in the 2010's that's going to generate a lot more than the other options. But wait.. A single copy of a secret Clan album that can only be heard by the owner and sold to the highest bidder? $$$$.
Cilvaringz says "only if we had a significant democratic majority to go ahead with it could we go to launch it" He doesn't say everyone was on board. He says Masta Killa was at the launch. Says Ghost and Rae showed public support, and that Meth publicly said he liked the idea. So it's obvious that there's members who didn't agree with this bullshyt otherwise that attention seeking dikkhead Cilvaringz would've categorically said every member was on board. It's egregious therefore for you to say "in reality it just did way better than they thought it would & they should just accept that since they signed off on it before knowing the level it would reach [but that's not realistic])" when there's members who didn't sign off on it.
As for your comment that "now they wanted the same percentage of that as they would have got in a 90s major label contract for a "Wu-Tang Clan" album". Why the fukk shouldn't they? It's now a Clan album isn't it? Cilva said himself "RZA then told me to call the Clan one by one and explain both the concept & Wu-Tang Clan accreditation of the project". So now it's a Wu-Tang Clan album. You record a "Clan album" in secret behind everyone's back, run to RZA to get the support to throw the Wu-Tang Clan name on it, make it a 1 copy deal and sell it to the highest bidder to make yourself as much money as you can, break RZA a big piece to get him onside, not every member agrees with it, then want to nickel-and-dime the artists who's fame, fans and art is making you your money.
No I don't suppose the Clan are happy with how this reflects on them, plus the Martin Shkreli shyt, but that's a satellite issue bordering on a strawman argument that Cilvaringz is hiding behind. It's (now) a Wu-Tang Clan album that has sold for millions. The members are within their right to ask for a decent fukkin percentage of that shyt, especially after being duped.
Cilvaringz has been riding on the coat-tails and milking the Wu connection since day 1 for his own personal gain.
