Christians I have a question

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Also, there needs to be clarity on the war in Heaven. This wasn't an event that took place pre-Creation. This is after. Satan still had access to Heaven in the book of Job, which is obviously after the creation. After the war in Heaven, he no longer had access to Heaven to persecute creation. Therefore the war in Heaven was sometime after creation. Well, if this war takes place after the creation, when did it occur? Look no further than the New Testament. Look at how many people suffered demonic possession. This wasn't occurring in the Old Testament. The closest account was King Saul, but nothing as rampant as in the New Testament.

Also, the war was waged with Michael, the archangel. Not with God. Michael and his angel overcame Satan and his angels.

 

[The Half-Blood FKA Prince]

What if it wasnt a question of whether or not Satan believed he could beat, or that God couldnt just simply destroy him, but maybe instead reasoned that God wouldnt destroy him?

I may not follow the religion no more, but its not that i dont believe, just that i dont trust the church. Common sense just tells me the scriptures have long been corrupted. The recorded truth, if even still in existence, has got to be hidden and locked away like a fort knoxx full of fort knoxxes full of fort knoxxes.

But this theory kinda makes sense as according to the scriptures, even in their adulterated iteration, God did indeed NOT destroy the devil, only sealed him away.

Idk, im no theology scholar, and feel way out of my depth surrounded by coli brehs who could easily go old testament on me in theological debate without looking up from their morning coffee This just seems to make the most sense to me.

 

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Nah. The overall theme definitely isn't that. The very 1st fukk up is not following basic, simple instructions. So if there's a theme, that would be the 1st place to look.

the very first lesson would be "give comprehensive instructions".

the second would be "HOH 4 life" when eve came with that apple

god failed at no 1

 

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apples and oranges brehs



do you know any highly intelligent humans who have seen god who are busy waging war against him?

I've never seen God/Allah, but I know "He" is real, literally the last being in existence I would want smoke with, that's why I don't get angry at God. Last time was years ago, I was going through some stuff, got in the shower, and for like 20 seconds was basically like 'God why You doin this to me', then I remembered "never curse God" I took back my thoughts and words, asked God for forgiveness, ain't ever remotely get angry at God since. Plus I looked at it like "God loves me, He wouldn't torture me for fun or no reason, who said it was even God, probably Satan, demons, some evil forces, negative energy etc"

Once again...why "big" what if where God is is so small he cannot be perceived or vice versa what makes you efficiently knowledgeable about The God if you don't know him?

Surah An-Nisa - 144 - Quran.com

O believers! Do not take disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Would you like to give Allah solid proof against yourselves?

quran.com

Here is a thought experiment with this passage

Matthew 5:11-13



how many beings are spoken about without them coming to you personally and say this is what I am.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-islam-got-jesus-completely-wrong.895708/page-62#post-50072450

outstanding post breh, genuine food for thought, I'm book marking this thread, it was worth it, TheColi is the goat site

We ALWAYS try to answer this by using knowledge and theory OUTSIDE of The Bible, which is a no no.

What does Satan mean? It means adversary, which in essence means his nature was always in opposition to creation as tempter, accuser, and destroyer. That puts him in opposition to God.

It is an error that he wanted to be equal to God because people apply the parable of Lucifer from Ezekiel to Satan. Lucifer was more likely a fallen king, not an angelic being.

Satan is like a prosecutor and his whole existence was accusing and persecuting creation before God. See the book of Job. Look at the name Satan and what it means.

wise words and advice, thanks, I'm going to read the Bible again, got Bibles on deck, I have always heard that Satan wasn't the adversary of God, but the adversary of man. I have Christian's and Sunni Muslims in my family, and even though they have some different beliefs, they all basically told me Satan is man's problem...not God/Allah's problem

Also, there needs to be clarity on the war in Heaven. This wasn't an event that took place pre-Creation. This is after. Satan still had access to Heaven in the book of Job, which is obviously after the creation. After the war in Heaven, he no longer had access to Heaven to persecute creation. Therefore the war in Heaven was sometime after creation. Well, if this war takes place after the creation, when did it occur? Look no further than the New Testament. Look at how many people suffered demonic possession. This wasn't occurring in the Old Testament. The closest account was King Saul, but nothing as rampant as in the New Testament.

Also, the war was waged with Michael, the archangel. Not with God. Michael and his angel overcame Satan and his angels.

Thank you for your insight breh, I'm def checking that out when I read the Bible again

basically I've read the Bible so many times I lost count, but it's so LAYERED I always read something and I'm basically like wow, how did I miss that???

But yes breh I've definitely heard it was the angel Michael who gave Satan the hands, Satan wasn't like #2 in raw power behind God or anything

I've also heard some people say that Micheal and Jesus were the same being, but I'm not ready for that, gotta be humble and, read, learn, and pray for possible insight

and a part that was absolutely HILARIOUS in the Bible was...I believe a few of Jesus disciples were acting kinda shook of Satan, and the war in Heaven came up, and Jesus had patience at first, but they just kept asking questions about the war, this isn't verbatim, but Jesus basically gets tired of the questions and say 'I saw Satan fall from Heaven like lightning'

I KNOW some brehs in here know that exact part, and where it's at, but yall have been kind to me enough, I ain't gonna ask a million questions and bug yall

thanks everyone for your posts, I appreciate your honest thoughts, but I won't ask anymore questions just in case peeps start arguing with each other in here

like the saying goes "leave well enough alone" or "quit while you're still ahead"

thanks brehs, me personally I do believe in God, I believe God is good, and I just want all the brehs in TLR to know my mom is doing just fine now

 

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I've never seen God/Allah, but I know "He" is real, literally the last being in existence I would want smoke with, that's why I don't get angry at God. Last time was years ago, I was going through some stuff, got in the shower, and for like 20 seconds was basically like 'God why You doin this to me', then I remembered "never curse God" I took back my thoughts and words, asked God for forgiveness, ain't ever remotely get angry at God since. Plus I looked at it like "God loves me, He wouldn't torture me for fun or no reason, who said it was even God, probably Satan, demons, some evil forces, negative energy etc"

dodge questions like neo brehs

 

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dodge questions like neo brehs

thread is over breh, lol, gotta see if I can lock it, I got brilliant answers from Coli brehs

but the Neo analogy is still funny

 

[TRUEST]

It’s all a game. In the beginning. God created the heavens and the earth.

But wait.

In the beginning of what?

The earth is a new movie.

 

[Still Benefited]

Religion


Religious mafukkas will clown some other dumb shyt like anime or Pokémon cards or some shyt like they shyt ain't MORE ridiculous.

Religious mafukkas will clown people that believe in Big Foot or aliens but believe in a sky daddy!


Mafukkas in here mad cause they insanity being mocked!
fukk you and that cracka religion ya punk bytch!

Then you have you coli athiest who dont believe in God,but believe in aliens. If you believe in aliens you might as well believe in God. Because your admitting in beings powerful enough to do everything the bible says

 

[JoelB]

Satan is on the payroll.

Job 1:8
And the Lord said unto Satan, “Hast thou considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one who feareth God and escheweth evil?”

He literally gets told what he can and cannot do.

Focus on the one who calls the shots, not the one who takes orders.

 

[JoelB]

Then you have you coli athiest who dont believe in God,but believe in aliens. If you believe in aliens you might as well believe in God. Because your admitting in beings powerful enough to do everything the bible says

It's easier to believe in "aliens" because you dont have to be held accountable to those beings. I can do whatever depravity I want if Aliens are the highest power in the universe.

The moment I acknowledge an intelligent GOD who created me, I now have to be aware of his rules. That makes me feel like a prisoner. I want to be the GOD of my own life.

The concept of GOD isnt inconceivable. Submitting to a higher power is.

 

[Still Benefited]

It's easier to believe in "aliens" because you dont have to be held accountable to those beings. I can do whatever depravity I want if Aliens are the highest power in the universe.

The moment I acknowledge an intelligent GOD who created me, I now have to be aware of his rules. That makes me feel like a prisoner. I want to be the GOD of my own life.

The concept of GOD isnt inconceivable. Submitting to a higher power is.

At least your acknowledging being an athiest is anti intelligence,which I agree with. Because usually demonic practices have bad consequences even on earth. People who want a more productive,disease and prison free life would be wise to follow God

 

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He literally gets told what he can and cannot do.

Focus on the one who calls the shots, not the one who takes orders.

much appreciated post breh

I am not prejudiced against atheist, everyone is on a personal journey I'm not qualified to judge

but man oh man, the Coli athiest have entered my thread and are clowning everyone, I know TheColi is super diverse, I just didn't want a civil war in my thread

I just asked my questions because only stupid people think they are geniuses in my personal opinion, because the name of the game is try your best to stay humble, and learn as much as you can

I asked my questions not because I already thought I had answers, and was looking for approval, that's ego stuff

I acknowledge that I'm Sway..."you don't have the answers Sway" lol

So I asked my questions

but athiest vs believers in God was not my intention AT ALL


thanks to everyone who gave me food for thought, and Biblical references though

 

[Still Benefited]

What if it wasnt a question of whether or not Satan believed he could beat, or that God couldnt just simply destroy him, but maybe instead reasoned that God wouldnt destroy him?

I may not follow the religion no more, but its not that i dont believe, just that i dont trust the church. Common sense just tells me the scriptures have long been corrupted. The recorded truth, if even still in existence, has got to be hidden and locked away like a fort knoxx full of fort knoxxes full of fort knoxxes.

But this theory kinda makes sense as according to the scriptures, even in their adulterated iteration, God did indeed NOT destroy the devil, only sealed him away.

Idk, im no theology scholar, and feel way out of my depth surrounded by coli brehs who could easily go old testament on me in theological debate without looking up from their morning coffee This just seems to make the most sense to me.

The devil represents a feminine energy. So its just like you could ask "Why would a woman scream at/slap a man knowing he could destroy her". The devil is like Gods woman he wont put hands on. Notice how the devil is able to play on Gods ego to get him to test Job. "I bet Job wouldnt rock with you if it wasnt for all the blessings". This is the same type of tactics that women do on earth,or it comes off as feminine energy when men do it. Men have controlled every aspect of America. But you now see feminine energy taking over. Babylon has never been worst. The devil represents feminine energy let lose and not supressed by men#theChildOfMan

 

[JoelB]

much appreciated post breh

I am not prejudiced against atheist, everyone is on a personal journey I'm not qualified to judge

but man oh man, the Coli athiest have entered my thread and are clowning everyone, I know TheColi is super diverse, I just didn't want a civil war in my thread

I just asked my questions because only stupid people think they are geniuses in my personal opinion, because the name of the game is try your best to stay humble, and learn as much as you can

I asked my questions not because I already thought I had answers, and was looking for approval, that's ego stuff

I acknowledge that I'm Sway..."you don't have the answers Sway" lol

So I asked my questions

but athiest vs believers in God was not my intention AT ALL


thanks to everyone who gave me food for thought, and Biblical references though

Breh ask all the questions you want. There are many of us here that enjoy these type of discussions, just know that this is still thecoli. Atheists/Contrarians will pop up and do their usual thing.

We've debunked a lot of their talking points already but they still try...

 

[Mank1nd]

God vs Devil saga is just good vs evil, ying and yang. Can't have one without the other. Why is that? I don't know, I'm just on some smart-dumb nikka shyt. Really though, if humans can have both peaceful and evil thoughts then why not the devil? Aren't we made in God's image?