Chris Bosh - "I don't like playing in the paint. It takes up too much energy"

[J-Fire]

so people werent callin him "Pau Gasoft" after he got his lunch eaten by KG, Perkins and Powe in the 08 Finals?

why do nikkas make up these blatant lies?

he was getting called gasoft in his 1st round exit Vancouver days if memory serves. Wasn't they winning like 50games and getting knocked out?

 

[NYSTATEOFMIND]

"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said.

 

[nieman]

For Lebron to be truly effective he has to have the ability to be able to get to any spot on the floor at any time. Bosh in the paint eliminates that; Bosh in the post eliminates that. Lebron runs the offense, so how come you never see him directing Bosh into the post? This season they only used Bosh for high pick-n-pops with Lebron. One thing that really hasn't changed since their creation is the Lebron/Wade strong/weak-side offense; they've never mastered the 2 man game unless its a break. Hell, Lebron and Bosh don't have a great 2-man game either. I think Bosh is still a 20ppg scorer, and easily. But you saw periods where they didn't go to him at all, so it's not like he's done. He shot what?55% in the finals

 

[KOBE]

why are yall nikkas tripping so hard in this thread? have you seen Bosh play in games without Wade/Lebron? Tell me that nikka doesnt go hard when he's putting up 25+ easily and hitting game winners left and right. If he doesn't want to bang anymore that's fine, but his low scoring output is due to his lack of touches/lack of sets and in general the lack of focus on helping him in score; not because he stopped going into the paint.

 

[FTBS]

For Lebron to be truly effective he has to have the ability to be able to get to any spot on the floor at any time. Bosh in the paint eliminates that; Bosh in the post eliminates that. Lebron runs the offense, so how come you never see him directing Bosh into the post? This season they only used Bosh for high pick-n-pops with Lebron. One thing that really hasn't changed since their creation is the Lebron/Wade strong/weak-side offense; they've never mastered the 2 man game unless its a break. Hell, Lebron and Bosh don't have a great 2-man game either. I think Bosh is still a 20ppg scorer, and easily. But you saw periods where they didn't go to him at all, so it's not like he's done. He shot what?55% in the finals

Cant speak for Bron but I would surmise he doesnt direct him down there because he'd get his lunch money taken. Bron doesnt have any issues functioning with Birdman near the basket or Wade posting up. Why should Bron or anyone else need to tell a superstar where to go? Dude is getting role player accountability while making the max.

All that said why do people keep talking about offense...15-17 ppg isnt bad for a 3rd option. The issue is defense and boards. When Malone went to LA he wasnt known for defense but he transformed into a defense, rebounding, dirty work type. D. Rob did the same after Duncan arrived. KG did the same in Boston. Why is Bosh not doing this? He clearly doesnt have to carry much of a load offensively so where is all his energy going?

 

[7oclock]

why are yall nikkas tripping so hard in this thread? have you seen Bosh play in games without Wade/Lebron? Tell me that nikka doesnt go hard when he's putting up 25+ easily and hitting game winners left and right. If he doesn't want to bang anymore that's fine, but his low scoring output is due to his lack of touches/lack of sets and in general the lack of focus on helping him in score; not because he stopped going into the paint.

not sure what some of these people are talking about - he's always been a more perimeter oritented big man even at Gtech...smh

 

[USSInsiders]

he's always shot "long ass jumpers" as you so technically put it. All he did was move it back to get the 3 points instead of 2. The rest of the game did not change....he shot the same #of inside shots, year over year, and short game didn't change year over year. His long jumpers did not change year of year, instead of "long ass jumpers" for 2 points , he's getting "long ass jumpers" for 3 points. So, unless you want to play semantics - how did he change his game, because your initial post makes it seem like his inside game is non-existent and that he exchanged to shoot long ass jumpers, which obviously is wrong.

Whether he was at the 3 points line or out at 18-20 feet, it doesn't matter. He wasn't in the post rebounding, getting put backs, or being availabe for dump offs. His offense was waiting for Wade or Lebron to kick it out, so again it doesn't matter. HIs game did not change over the last year. The playoffs weren't Bosh's fault, they asked him to sit out there - he didn't just decide to stay out there. Just so happen Spurs just played great defense all together.

Never said it was, but his lack of impact because his aggressiveness on the offensive end has waned even more than it already did hurt pretty badly.

The fact they're utilizing a mediocre three point shooter in that fashion is the reason why we're comparing it to Rasheed Wallace. He has the ability to damage in the paint but he'd rather brick threes all day long. Once you mentally commit to playing like that, it's over.

 

[7oclock]

Never said it was, but his lack of impact because his aggressiveness on the offensive end has waned even more than it already did hurt pretty badly.

The fact they're utilizing a mediocre three point shooter in that fashion is the reason why we're comparing it to Rasheed Wallace. He has the ability to damage in the paint but he'd rather brick threes all day long. Once you mentally commit to playing like that, it's over.

again, you're saying abilityt o damage the paint. he's never really played "in the paint" like a protypical PF/C. He's always been perimetered oriented.

Additionally, you said "never said it was [his fault]" but then you follow it up with [mentally commit to playing like that] - again if the COACH told him to go in the paint he would have been in the paint. SPO obviously told him to sit out there and wait for Lebron and Wade to kick it out to him and probably told him to stay out the paint to open it up more. That's coaching , not the player. Now if Coach Spo comes out and say, Bosh refused to go into the paint despite the plays I drew up then I'd agree with you.

 

[USSInsiders]

again, you're saying abilityt o damage the paint. he's never really played "in the paint" like a protypical PF/C. He's always been perimetered oriented.

Additionally, you said "never said it was [his fault]" but then you follow it up with [mentally commit to playing like that] - again if the COACH told him to go in the paint he would have been in the paint. SPO obviously told him to sit out there and wait for Lebron and Wade to kick it out to him and probably told him to stay out the paint to open it up more. That's coaching , not the player. Now if Coach Spo comes out and say, Bosh refused to go into the paint despite the plays I drew up then I'd agree with you.

Breh what the fukk are you talking about? READ the fukking title of this thread. Bosh WANTS to play like a fakkit. If he wasn't downlow he'd tell them to fukk off and keep his game inside the arc. The coaching staff is enabling his fakkitry.

And again, I already told you, noone is telling Bosh to post up, he's always been a face up and drive guy if he was going to go to the rim either that or receive a pass off of a p-n-r or simply cutting to the rim if his man looked away, but his midrange game was always good and now he's forcing these fakkit three pointers

Also I fail to see how the bolded relates to each other. I'm saying his shyttiness contributed to their failure along with 20-30 other things, but I'm obviously not blaming EVERYTING on him, if you fail to see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

But as a player, when you begin to commit to playing a certain way, it becomes habitual. Most of the time when your game extends further and further, it's rare you see players close the distance.

Bosh will probably Brian Cook status next season at this rate

 

[KOBE]

oh and for those saying Lebron carried his ass to two titles. I recall someone grabbing that chuck of a shot by Lebron and passing it to Allen in that corner for that magical moment ot occur. It sure the hell wasnt Lebron passing him the ball. |i

Cant speak for Bron but I would surmise he doesnt direct him down there because he'd get his lunch money taken. Bron doesnt have any issues functioning with Birdman near the basket or Wade posting up. Why should Bron or anyone else need to tell a superstar where to go? Dude is getting role player accountability while making the max.

All that said why do people keep talking about offense...15-17 ppg isnt bad for a 3rd option. The issue is defense and boards. When Malone went to LA he wasnt known for defense but he transformed into a defense, rebounding, dirty work type. D. Rob did the same after Duncan arrived. KG did the same in Boston. Why is Bosh not doing this? He clearly doesnt have to carry much of a load offensively so where is all his energy going?

I believe his energy is going into trying to stop stronger/bigger centers in the paint when he's quite clearly a power forward. You acting like it's easy for Bosh to defend guys that are just way bigger than him while patrolling the paint. He's not a center and yet has to play like one on the defensive end, that shyt aint easy.

 

[7oclock]

Breh what the fukk are you talking about? READ the fukking title of this thread. Bosh WANTS to play like a fakkit. If he wasn't downlow he'd tell them to fukk off and keep his game inside the arc. The coaching staff is enabling his fakkitry.

And again, I already told you, noone is telling Bosh to post up, he's always been a face up and drive guy if he was going to go to the rim either that or receive a pass off of a p-n-r or simply cutting to the rim if his man looked away, but his midrange game was always good and now he's forcing these fakkit three pointers

Also I fail to see how the bolded relates to each other. I'm saying his shyttiness contributed to their failure along with 20-30 other things, but I'm obviously not blaming EVERYTING on him, if you fail to see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

But as a player, when you begin to commit to playing a certain way, it becomes habitual. Most of the time when your game extends further and further, it's rare you see players close the distance.

Bosh will probably Brian Cook status next season at this rate

let me enumerate because you're jumping all over the place because you're unable to argue tangible points.

1. Bosh has always played like this. I think everyone agrees except you - when it suits your argument then you flip flop and it becomes very confusing. So do you agree Bosh has always been a perimeter oriented PF? yes or no?

2. Bosh can say what he wants, if the coach is telling him to go in the paint, he'd take his ass in the paint. The issue is that James and Wade need the paint and coach is probably okay with letting the PF position roam on the perimeter for kick outs.

3. you said Bosh will be Brian Cook status - again you're just talking out the side of your neck. Bosh can easily be a top PF again in the right situation.

4. His midrange is good for a PF - and he shoots good from 3 for a PF. Don't confuse the fact that he shot "long jumpers" greater than 18 feet at almost the same clip he shoots 3's at. I guess it's not evident to you because you think anything not a 3 pointer or a dunk is mid-range. Try using the advanced stats on basketball reference and you'll be able to see where you're wrong.

 

[USSInsiders]

let me enumerate because you're jumping all over the place because you're unable to argue tangible points.

1. Bosh has always played like this. I think everyone agrees except you - when it suits your argument then you flip flop and it becomes very confusing. So do you agree Bosh has always been a perimeter oriented PF? yes or no?

2. Bosh can say what he wants, if the coach is telling him to go in the paint, he'd take his ass in the paint. The issue is that James and Wade need the paint and coach is probably okay with letting the PF position roam on the perimeter for kick outs.

3. you said Bosh will be Brian Cook status - again you're just talking out the side of your neck. Bosh can easily be a top PF again in the right situation.

4. His midrange is good for a PF - and he shoots good from 3 for a PF. Don't confuse the fact that he shot "long jumpers" greater than 18 feet at almost the same clip he shoots 3's at. I guess it's not evident to you because you think anything not a 3 pointer or a dunk is mid-range. Try using the advanced stats on basketball reference and you'll be able to see where you're wrong.

This isn't an argument, it's a discussion. I'm just speaking my opinion, but I'll entertain your points since you were nice enough to write them out.

Perimeter oriented? Ehhhhhh, I'd say yes, but he's not totally committed to the perimeter so I'd say he's more of a flex big who can play inside or outside. I think he's better closer to the rim contrary to what he thinks because I don't think he likes contact all that much. When he faces up from inside the paint there's so many more options for him rather than essentially facing up at the three point line because it makes it easier to stop his drives if he decides to put the ball on the ground.


Bosh has ALWAYS been the bail out/kickout guy, I'm not disputing that, I just want his kickouts to stay in the paint not outside of it. I don't give a fukk what your advanced stats say, I watched the games, and his commitment to stay out there just wasn't working against Indiana and the Spurs. On paper i get why he was out there, but I just think if he stepped a few feet in those shots would've gone down with more consistency. The fact he WANTS to stay out there and the likelihood the staff is enabling him is dumb to me.

I'm not saying his skills are magically going to deteriorate, I'm just saying his willingness to stay out beyond the three point line isn't going away. He's going to get used to it and yeah, he's gonna become a guy who just sits out there shoutout Brian Cook

 

[FTBS]

oh and for those saying Lebron carried his ass to two titles. I recall someone grabbing that chuck of a shot by Lebron and passing it to Allen in that corner for that magical moment ot occur. It sure the hell wasnt Lebron passing him the ball. |i


I believe his energy is going into trying to stop stronger/bigger centers in the paint when he's quite clearly a power forward. You acting like it's easy for Bosh to defend guys that are just way bigger than him while patrolling the paint. He's not a center and yet has to play like one on the defensive end, that shyt aint easy.

And? If you want easy take the MLE and give the squad room to acqiure a true C. Bron does everything he does and more and he's not a C either. He's not even a PF. at the excuses for a max superstar pf.

 

[madness]

oh and for those saying Lebron carried his ass to two titles. I recall someone grabbing that chuck of a shot by Lebron and passing it to Allen in that corner for that magical moment ot occur. It sure the hell wasnt Lebron passing him the ball. |i

and i recall lebron scoring 16 points in that 4th quarter when none of his teammates could buy a bucket just to keep the game close enough to even get to that point

and i also recall lebron dropping 35 points in the next game 7...do you happen to remember how many points bosh scored in that one?

 

[7oclock]

This isn't an argument, it's a discussion. I'm just speaking my opinion, but I'll entertain your points since you were nice enough to write them out.

Perimeter oriented? Ehhhhhh, I'd say yes, but he's not totally committed to the perimeter so I'd say he's more of a flex big who can play inside or outside. I think he's better closer to the rim contrary to what he thinks because I don't think he likes contact all that much. When he faces up from inside the paint there's so many more options for him rather than essentially facing up at the three point line because it makes it easier to stop his drives if he decides to put the ball on the ground.


Bosh has ALWAYS been the bail out/kickout guy, I'm not disputing that, I just want his kickouts to stay in the paint not outside of it. I don't give a fukk what your advanced stats say, I watched the games, and his commitment to stay out there just wasn't working against Indiana and the Spurs. On paper i get why he was out there, but I just think if he stepped a few feet in those shots would've gone down with more consistency. The fact he WANTS to stay out there and the likelihood the staff is enabling him is dumb to me.

I'm not saying his skills are magically going to deteriorate, I'm just saying his willingness to stay out beyond the three point line isn't going away. He's going to get used to it and yeah, he's gonna become a guy who just sits out there shoutout Brian Cook

okay i'm clearer on what you're saying. I disagree with certain aspects but at least I understand your angle.