China preparing to send astronauts to the moon before the end of this decade

[spencerforhire]

I really dont believe china will be around that long. At least not in its current prominenece


There is no such thing as dual pole world. America has a crazy long head start in this game. I have no idea how they are going to do it, but washington is cooking up something to turn them into what happened to the soviets or even what brittish empire did to the Qing- chinese.

It doesnt even need to be some dramatic military affair. It could be as simple as what washington did to 90s japan(who was also making all sorts of silly proclamations during its glory day) with the plaza accords.

Get off the crack

 

[CopiousX]

Get off the crack

Get off Xi’s dikk.

Really folks need to work together to figure out how to mine outer space, fukk nukes and wars and shyt

Not really. There is nothing out there that we cant get here on earth easier and cheaper. I mean its literally cheaper to mine the bottom of the ocean, than it is to go to the moon and back. And we got a crap ton of ocean leftover, so it might be a few centuries before we actually “need” space.


I wish we would just be honest about our space asperations. Im tired of folks hiding behind flimsy humanitarian or utilitarian reasons for going to space. Its perfectly fine to admit, “we want to go because its cool, and we dont care about practicality !”


Of course, I do agree with you that war is unideal.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Get off Xi’s dikk.





Not really. There is nothing out there that we cant get here on earth easier and cheaper. I mean its literally cheaper to mine the bottom of the ocean, than it is to go to the moon and back. And we got a crap ton of ocean leftover, so it might be a few centuries before we actually “need” space.


I wish we would just be honest about our space asperations. Im tired of folks hiding behind flimsy humanitarian or utilitarian reasons for going to space. Its perfectly fine to admit, “we want to go because its cool, and we dont care about practicality !”

I don’t know you got to prove that, I doubt the earth by itself got more resources than the asteroid belt, and going to space is a business venture

They talking about building factories in space, so I don’t think it’s purely a “cool” thing

 

[3rdWorld]

If they get there, which I dont believe..they'd plant their flag on the Moon and claim it as part of China.

 

[CopiousX]

I don’t know you got to prove that, I doubt the earth by itself got more resources than the asteroid belt, and going to space is a business venture

2 things.


First:
are you aware of the International Seabed Authority?


The International Seabed Authority and Deep Seabed Mining | United Nations

The Main Players - The DSCC Deep Sea Conservation Coalition

Deep-sea mining involves a collection of government, inter-government, industry, scientific, academic, civil society and other interests. Exploration As of January 2023, the International Seabed Authority (ISA) has issued permits and entered into 31 contracts for exploration for polymetallic...

savethehighseas.org

They already mapped most of the seafloors since the 60s and have allocated a crazy amount of minerals , however; most of it is allocated to developing nations as part of UN treaties because the great powers were worried about taking their shares at the height of the cold war. So its literally free for the taking because nations like Swaziland or Laos lack the capital to use their allotment. . This isnt crazy scifi stuff. We already have deep sea mining operations and they cost dramatically less than R&D on rockets/shuttles/ extraction/ etc.

This will be a much lower barier to entry and lower cost than anything done in space. More importantly its easier to get shareholders of a private company or govt to invest in a mining operation on the deep shore coast of Fiji than to risk their money in a multidecade investment on Ceres.


There are literal balls of minerals just sitting on the surface of the ocean floor (not even burried) and ready for the taking. And they are pretty evenly distributed over that gigantic sea floor. Once again, they are literally sitting on the seafloor like a treasure chest for mankind.

Rare Earth Metal Balls Found Beneath The Atlantic Ocean

The ancient deposit could be good news for tech companies

www.popsci.com

An Underwater Field of Weird Metal Balls Is a Key to Both Past And Future

A huge deposit of manganese nodules beneath the Atlantic might be a potential source of highly prized rare earth metals

www.smithsonianmag.com

Second:
On a mass-per-mass basis its not even close. The mass of all the rocky bodies in the asteroid belt is 3% of the moon. And that moon is only 1.2% of the mass of Earth.

Link (second paragraph) Asteroid belt - Wikipedia.



Link (6th paragraph) How Big is the Moon?


So its not even a debate as to which entity has more resources for us.

They talking about building factories in space, so I don’t think it’s purely a “cool” thing

But why? You gotta ask why we would do any of this . There is circular logic at play here.


At a certain point it becomes ..

(1) We go, so we can build, (2) so that we can go further , (3) so that we can build, so we can….( to the nth power )
(In detail)

Spoiler

• Build rocket. Why?
• To Go to moon. Why?
• To build moon factories. why?
• To making going to deep space easier. Why?
• To go to mars and phobos. Why?
• To make going to asteroid belt easier. Why?
• To make going to oiter solar system easier. Why?
• To get to he Kuiper Belt. Why?
• To leave solar system and go to nearest star. Why?
• Etc…etc…etc

In an infinite regressive loop. And at no point will this be easier than doing the same thing on earth.


I was a comEng major in college and we used to go on and on about this debate in our multi-disciplinary engineering courses because computer engineers, chemical engineers, mechanical engineers, nuclear engineers, etc have been having wet dreams about space since middleschool and convo always falls to space.

There is no practical purpose for any of this stuff. And believe me, i think thats perfectly fine. Humanity does impractical stuff all the time. But lets be honest here and just say its cool and thats why we wanna do it.

 

[Gritsngravy]

@CopiousX
They say the resources in the ocean could be worth about 16 trillion, space mining quintillions

Things will become cheap enough eventually to actually be cost effective to go to space, that’s the whole point of setting a footprint out there now

Why did humans leave Africa to go to other areas, why did the Spanish leave for the americas, humans are explorers and willing to take chances to see new shyt

And people aren’t just interest with space, it’s a bunch of topics that are just as interesting if not more than space but why is it so regressive to discuss space

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why? So in 100 years ungrateful Chinese kids online can deny it happened?

 

[Chronic]

 

[InGodWeTrust]

Let me know when they build a Dyson Sphere

 

[JealousOnesEn_V]

I really dont believe china will be around that long. At least not in its current prominenece


There is no such thing as dual pole world. America has a crazy long head start in this game. I have no idea how they are going to do it, but washington is cooking up something to turn them into what happened to the soviets or even what brittish empire did to the Qing- chinese.

It doesnt even need to be some dramatic military affair. It could be as simple as what washington did to 90s japan(who was also making all sorts of silly proclamations during its glory day) with the plaza accords.

You don’t think China will be around in 7 yrs?

 

[CopiousX]

You don’t think China will be around in 7 yrs?

We had similar proclamations about japan in the late 80s and mid 90s. They were also buying govt debt, us shares in private companies, us land/realestate, spying on us interests, had hilarious projections of surpassing the us gdp, etc. just look up any archived news from nyt or nyp or usatoday from the 90s or mid80s.


By 2007 japan had fallen from prominenece, due to american intervention in numerous areas such currency manipualtion and the plaza accords.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The actual reason for going into space is simple: room.

The Earth, right now, has almost 8 billion people. This present population is the result of doubling since 1960. It'll probably 'level-off' by the 22nd Century to about 10-12 billion.

The Earth's resources are not sufficient to maintain a population that large at the rate of current consumption, or, the projected increase, without expanding into the Solar System.​

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

China is too repressive and insular. They don’t even export culture like that. It’s very strange

 

[Chronic]

 

[RickyDiBiase]

You don’t think China will be around in 7 yrs?

Conditions are applicable and its happened before

Chinese expansionism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org