China just wrecked all of American AI. Silicon Valley is in shambles.

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@morganb
🧵 Finally had a chance to dig into DeepSeek’s r1…

Let me break down why DeepSeek's AI innovations are blowing people's minds (and possibly threatening Nvidia's $2T market cap) in simple terms...



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@morganb
0/ first off, shout out to @doodlestein who wrote the must-read on this here: The Short Case for Nvidia Stock



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@morganb
1/ First, some context: Right now, training top AI models is INSANELY expensive. OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. spend $100M+ just on compute. They need massive data centers with thousands of $40K GPUs. It's like needing a whole power plant to run a factory.



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@morganb
2/ DeepSeek just showed up and said "LOL what if we did this for $5M instead?" And they didn't just talk - they actually DID it. Their models match or beat GPT-4 and Claude on many tasks. The AI world is (as my teenagers say) shook.



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@morganb
3/ How? They rethought everything from the ground up. Traditional AI is like writing every number with 32 decimal places. DeepSeek was like "what if we just used 8? It's still accurate enough!" Boom - 75% less memory needed.



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@morganb
4/ Then there's their "multi-token" system. Normal AI reads like a first-grader: "The... cat... sat..." DeepSeek reads in whole phrases at once. 2x faster, 90% as accurate. When you're processing billions of words, this MATTERS.



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@morganb
5/ But here's the really clever bit: They built an "expert system." Instead of one massive AI trying to know everything (like having one person be a doctor, lawyer, AND engineer), they have specialized experts that only wake up when needed.



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@morganb
6/ Traditional models? All 1.8 trillion parameters active ALL THE TIME. DeepSeek? 671B total but only 37B active at once. It's like having a huge team but only calling in the experts you actually need for each task.



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@morganb
7/ The results are mind-blowing:
- Training cost: $100M → $5M
- GPUs needed: 100,000 → 2,000
- API costs: 95% cheaper
- Can run on gaming GPUs instead of data center hardware



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@morganb
8/ "But wait," you might say, "there must be a catch!" That's the wild part - it's all open source. Anyone can check their work. The code is public. The technical papers explain everything. It's not magic, just incredibly clever engineering.



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@morganb
9/ Why does this matter? Because it breaks the model of "only huge tech companies can play in AI." You don't need a billion-dollar data center anymore. A few good GPUs might do it.



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@morganb
10/ For Nvidia, this is scary. Their entire business model is built on selling super expensive GPUs with 90% margins. If everyone can suddenly do AI with regular gaming GPUs... well, you see the problem.



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@morganb
11/ And here's the kicker: DeepSeek did this with a team of <200 people. Meanwhile, Meta has teams where the compensation alone exceeds DeepSeek's entire training budget... and their models aren't as good.



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@morganb
12/ This is a classic disruption story: Incumbents optimize existing processes, while disruptors rethink the fundamental approach. DeepSeek asked "what if we just did this smarter instead of throwing more hardware at it?"



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@morganb
13/ The implications are huge:
- AI development becomes more accessible
- Competition increases dramatically
- The "moats" of big tech companies look more like puddles
- Hardware requirements (and costs) plummet



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@morganb
14/ Of course, giants like OpenAI and Anthropic won't stand still. They're probably already implementing these innovations. But the efficiency genie is out of the bottle - there's no going back to the "just throw more GPUs at it" approach.



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@morganb
15/ Final thought: This feels like one of those moments we'll look back on as an inflection point. Like when PCs made mainframes less relevant, or when cloud computing changed everything.

AI is about to become a lot more accessible, and a lot less expensive. The question isn't if this will disrupt the current players, but how fast.

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@morganb
P.S. And yes, all this is available open source. You can literally try their models right now. We're living in wild times! 🚀



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@nikitabier
actually a good concise summary, thread boi.



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@morganb
Thought I’d fukk around and go viral w/a thot piece on a Sunday night.



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@kevinwtung
Fantastic summary Morgan. 🙏



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@morganb
Thank you!! 🙏



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@thee1of1
Thoughts on the safety of using it given that it’s from China? Risk of CCP accessing all data?



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@morganb
Yeah a big difference between running the open source model on your own hardware and using the hosted app.

Definitely a bit squirrely using the ChatGPT version of TikTok

Will be interesting to see any infosec tear downs on the model but as open source you control weights and biases, fine tuning etc.



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@dsog
nvda is $3.5T



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@morganb
Hard to keep track 🚀



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@AIML4Health
Morgan, the 3 points you’ve hit below are the ones that matter the most in that order. 8-bit; multi-token predictions; and MoE optimization. ☝️

Excellent thread. Reposting.



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@morganb
Thanks ! Agree that the compounding of multiple innovations in one model is the key



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@CharlesHL
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@shouheiant
@readwise save thread



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@PalveMantra Halo! the unroll you asked for: Thread by @morganb on Thread Reader App Have a good day. 🤖



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@naCrypto Guten Tag, you can read it here: Thread by @morganb on Thread Reader App Talk to you soon. 🤖



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@yeeagency
I originally wanted to try to forward your content to my Chinese Twitter account. But I tried Deepseek, and I had deep doubts because its online search couldn't parse the content of X, resulting in a lot of thoughts but no results. In this case, how can friends abroad use it? I'll give some feedback to their staff.



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[Quoted tweet]
🚨 While Everyone Panics About China Taking Over AI, Here’s the Real Reason It Won’t Happen 👀

China’s Achilles Heel in the AI Market

Ask DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square, Taiwan, or Xi Jinping, and you’ll hit a wall of bias. This built-in censorship erodes trust—and trust is everything in AI.

Even better? Benchmark tests can easily include bias checks, exposing these flaws globally.

This is why China won’t dominate AI. Integrity > Propaganda.

#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #DeepSeek #China #Bias #AIMarket #TechEthics


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@jonasgahrstore a good idea to rethink those enormous energy-consuming data centres. @InnovasjonNorge hi there .... wakey wakey ;-)




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You're a pathetic fakkit. Stop sucking Chinese dikk

Don't shoot the messenger fakkit. This country electing Trump and the tech bros showing their ass instead of working tells me China's takeover is inevitable.

"It's the take over, the breaks over....C.C.P, we running this whole thang, XiJingpang, he running this whole thang"
 

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I know its hard to understand but you all are American lulz

its like in Chicago if you grow up on a BD block youre a BD to everyone else no matter what you say or do.

Youre on the team America doggie...
nothing you can do about it

You think like an American,
you hate America like an American

Sure but tech bros are team themselves, they not looking out of for me, so they can go f themselves, I love the L!
 

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They don't got no money or assets tied to American soil. Negative networths.
I was actually thinking this

they have no skin in the game, feel left out and would rather watch it all burn

even if you have money and assets, if you believe that the continued development of this technology will lead to major labor reductions in the job market and huge societal change. why would you root for a few people hoarding the tech a.k.a closed source A.I versus supporting open source endeavors where more people can access it for themselves?
 

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some HORRIBLE takes in this thread :mjlol:

rooting for a Chinese world domination is WILD
These silicon valley oligarchs, like Open Ai, refused to open source because their main concern is money, for themselves. In addition, they outright state they intend to use it to put people out of a job.

The fact this is open source really hampers them in doing that. China isn't dominating by doing this. They are undercutting our oligarch and in fact by making it open source they are equalizing the world with the release of this.

This isn't a China domination move. It's a fukk Americas oligarchs move. In fact US citizens benefit from this because now they have access to a powerful model comparable to those that companies like Open Ai is trying to sell the government and corporations. If US citizens need this tool to go against these people in this area, China provided it.
 

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These silicon valley oligarchs, like Open Ai, refused to open source because their main concern is money, for themselves. In addition, they outright state they intend to use it to put people out of a job.

The fact this is open source really hampers them in doing that. China isn't dominating by doing this. They are undercutting our oligarch and in fact by making it open source they are equalizing the world with the release of this.

This isn't a China domination move. It's a fukk Americas oligarchs move. In fact US citizens benefit from this because now they have access to a powerful model comparable to those that companies like Open Ai is trying to sell the government and corporations. If US citizens need this tool to go against these people in this area, China provided it.
You see it.

These companies are extra overvalued based on these supposed financial projections that have nikkas drooling at the prospects of fatter wallets

Companies like Tesla(also extremely overvalued) are gonna run into the same issues because they thought they were hoarding something more special than it actually is

Tesla really could've revolutionized shyt if it wasn't so intent on locking out 3rd party innovation because Elon has to be the only smart guy in the room:mjlol:
 
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Sure but tech bros are team themselves, they not looking out of for me, so they can go f themselves, I love the L!
NOBODY is looking out for you...youre a grown man and havent figured that out?

Being in this country gives you easy access to ride the wave of whatever is poppin...
if you havent profited from tech bros thats on you not taking advantage of whats going on

There are people that have retired from being in TSLA, NVDA and all the other tech stocks

The reason why a lot of black folks are behind is because we dont participate
 
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