They would throw us in a dirt floor cell and laugh at us if we tried that shyt
CHICAGO MIGRANT CRISIS: MAYOR ORDERS HIRING FREEZE TO ADDRESS BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET DEFICIT
- Thread starter Sir Richard Spirit
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Do nOt be fooled.
by this cluck mouth teary eyed nikka on fox.
First thing out his mouth after seeing should be to say...why are we taking on problems. Like we have solutions or resources. When we have not created any real solution for our own problems for our own citizens.
Art Barr
Sir Richard Spirit
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@At30wecashout
Don’t be popping shyt in other threads about posters in here. You want to educate us? I’m all for it, but you’re wrong and your hatred for Republicans have you blind to facts.
Get in here so I can school you or stop using us for rep.
Don’t be popping shyt in other threads about posters in here. You want to educate us? I’m all for it, but you’re wrong and your hatred for Republicans have you blind to facts.
Get in here so I can school you or stop using us for rep.
Sir Richard Spirit
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Mayor of Chicago blaming foreign policy, national policy, and even sanctions against Venezuela as the reason for migrants surging.
Who is in control of this policy? Is it Trump or Biden
@At30wecashout is it ok for Brandon Johnson to lay blame at the feet of the fed or no? He should be blaming Texas for it all to right?
Bruh you are a weirdo, and there are a lot of opinionated people in here spitting half truths from...not Chicago. Quote what I said that started this lil tantrum and lets get to the nitty gritty. Also, why should I not dislike, or hate as you say, a party thats full of not suspected but confirmed white supremacists?
Mayor of Chicago blaming foreign policy, national policy, and even sanctions against Venezuela as the reason for migrants surging.
Who is in control of this policy? Is it Trump or Biden
@At30wecashout is it ok for Brandon Johnson to lay blame at the feet of the fed or no? He should be blaming Texas for it all to right?
1. Yes, foreign policy is part of it. Since Nicholas Maduro got into power in 2013 as VP/President, USA didn't really rock with him and recognized the National Assembly, who's President is second to Maduro, as the democratically elected governing party of Venezuela. They beefed with him right away, pretty much.
U.S. Relations With Venezuela - United States Department of State
More information is available on the Venezuela Country Page and from other Department of State publications and other sources listed at the end of this fact sheet. U.S.-VENEZUELA RELATIONS Venezuela gained its independence from Spain by 1819 as part of the Republic of Colombia and separated from...
www.state.gov
Venezuela’s Interim Government and the 2015 National Assembly - United States Department of State
The United States supports the Venezuelan people in their desire for a peaceful restoration of democracy through free and fair elections and will continue to support Venezuela’s democratic opposition.
www.state.gov
TL:DR Maduro is a fukkup and the USA been peacing him out since nearly day one. Their country started falling apart and Venezualans contrary to popular belief have scattered all over North America, not just the United States, but they are now on our heads because Title 42 ended, which bleeds into National Policy.
2. For national policy, immigation and asylum reform (different things) has not been taken seriously by any administration and by extension congressional body in decades. Title 42 basically allowed in a health emergency to detain anyone who crosses the border and summarily bounce them while there is a national emergency which Covid was. Title 42 is a provision of the 1944 Public Health and Services law.
Long story short, Trump was booting millions of people for any and all reasons under that provision and the practice ended in May of this year. From there, we went back to Title 8 which has due process and allows folks to come to the USA and be processed for their asylum claims. If deemed invalid, they too get the boot, but they at least get processed. They are being processed in Texas...and being sent to Chicago. They are here legally. Unfortunately, while we talk about "who runs the feds", they need law reforms to deal with this issue, and laws are only signed by the President, as they have to originate in Congress. Until congress gets right, the President has to operate according to laws as it is.
3. Venezuelan sanctions are also a part of why it is falling apart, outside of corruption. We were not able to deport Venezuelans due to not having an agreement with them until recently, as countries don't just get people dropped off at airports. There is a formal process countries have to agree to, and lifting some sanctions allowed us to resume deportations. Since we are Republican friendly, I will even just use a Fox News source:
US deportations to Venezuela are resuming, Biden administration announces
The Department of Homeland Security announced plans to resume sending Venezuelan immigrants in the U.S. illegally back to Venezuela, after an agreement with the country.
www.foxnews.com
In exchange for sanctions lifting and a "promise" to return to democratic elections in 2024, so deportations have been going on since October.
Venezuelan arrivals along U.S. southern border drop after Biden starts deportations
The number of Venezuelans crossing the U.S.-Mexico border unlawfully dropped by 46% in October, when the Biden administration started deportations to Venezuela.
www.cbsnews.com
So slowly but surely, that part is working out.
So as for who is in control of the policy, what policy are you talking about? Yes, blame the Federal Government (Executive and Legislative, though primarily the latter) for this issue. They need to reform asylum and immigration law, especially as countries are going to be going through it with climate change crushing the buildings. And as for blaming Texas: did Venezuelans cross the border of Mexico into Chicago?
No, the crossed into a border state, Texas, that receives federal funding and has detention centers in its state, 21 in fact, while Illinois has none
Detention Facilities
Migrants may have a choice where to go, but some have reported they were mislead about where they were going, so its a mixed bag, but these lawfully processed asylum seekers are being sent around as a political tool,
Right from his website. So yes, the migrant crisis is a federal issue. The fact that they are in Chicago is a Texas Republican Governor issue. Texas is 1116 miles from Chicago. They were sent here.
Sir Richard Spirit
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1. Yes, foreign policy is part of it. Since Nicholas Maduro got into power in 2013 as VP/President, USA didn't really rock with him and recognized the National Assembly, who's President is second to Maduro, as the democratically elected governing party of Venezuela. They beefed with him right away, pretty much.
U.S. Relations With Venezuela - United States Department of State
More information is available on the Venezuela Country Page and from other Department of State publications and other sources listed at the end of this fact sheet. U.S.-VENEZUELA RELATIONS Venezuela gained its independence from Spain by 1819 as part of the Republic of Colombia and separated from...
Venezuela’s Interim Government and the 2015 National Assembly - United States Department of State
The United States supports the Venezuelan people in their desire for a peaceful restoration of democracy through free and fair elections and will continue to support Venezuela’s democratic opposition.
TL:DR Maduro is a fukkup and the USA been peacing him out since nearly day one. Their country started falling apart and Venezualans contrary to popular belief have scattered all over North America, not just the United States, but they are now on our heads because Title 42 ended, which bleeds into National Policy.
2. For national policy, immigation and asylum reform (different things) has not been taken seriously by any administration and by extension congressional body in decades. Title 42 basically allowed in a health emergency to detain anyone who crosses the border and summarily bounce them while there is a national emergency which Covid was. Title 42 is a provision of the 1944 Public Health and Services law.
Long story short, Trump was booting millions of people for any and all reasons under that provision and the practice ended in May of this year. From there, we went back to Title 8 which has due process and allows folks to come to the USA and be processed for their asylum claims. If deemed invalid, they too get the boot, but they at least get processed. They are being processed in Texas...and being sent to Chicago. They are here legally. Unfortunately, while we talk about "who runs the feds", they need law reforms to deal with this issue, and laws are only signed by the President, as they have to originate in Congress. Until congress gets right, the President has to operate according to laws as it is.
3. Venezuelan sanctions are also a part of why it is falling apart, outside of corruption. We were not able to deport Venezuelans due to not having an agreement with them until recently, as countries don't just get people dropped off at airports. There is a formal process countries have to agree to, and lifting some sanctions allowed us to resume deportations. Since we are Republican friendly, I will even just use a Fox News source:
US deportations to Venezuela are resuming, Biden administration announces
The Department of Homeland Security announced plans to resume sending Venezuelan immigrants in the U.S. illegally back to Venezuela, after an agreement with the country.
In exchange for sanctions lifting and a "promise" to return to democratic elections in 2024, so deportations have been going on since October.
Venezuelan arrivals along U.S. southern border drop after Biden starts deportations
The number of Venezuelans crossing the U.S.-Mexico border unlawfully dropped by 46% in October, when the Biden administration started deportations to Venezuela.
So slowly but surely, that part is working out.
So as for who is in control of the policy, what policy are you talking about? Yes, blame the Federal Government (Executive and Legislative, though primarily the latter) for this issue. They need to reform asylum and immigration law, especially as countries are going to be going through it with climate change crushing the buildings. And as for blaming Texas: did Venezuelans cross the border of Mexico into Chicago?
No, the crossed into a border state, Texas, that receives federal funding and has detention centers in its state, 21 in fact, while Illinois has none
Detention Facilities
www.ice.gov
Migrants may have a choice where to go, but some have reported they were mislead about where they were going, so its a mixed bag, but these lawfully processed asylum seekers are being sent around as a political tool,
Right from his website. So yes, the migrant crisis is a federal issue. The fact that they are in Chicago is a Texas Republican Governor issue. Texas is 1116 miles from Chicago. They were sent here.
Is Brandon Johnson allowed to blame the federal government or not?
Yes, he is. What are we asking this for?
jilla82
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no he's not
The Biden admin would be on his ass (see whats going on in NYC)
Johnson ran on this issue and said he would welcome these folks.
The problem is black folks blindly vote blue and dont realize what they're voting for.
Johnson/Biden admin thought black folks would go along with everything but are now caught off guard.
its not an Republican issue...
its made that way because Democrats have been able to play the "if you dont accept them youre racist" game because all the border states are run by Republicans.
but even Democratic mayors of border states are sending them up here
You didn't read Richard's comment. He asked if he was allowed to criticize the Fed. I said he is.
He has the right to welcome those folks, as they were being sent here before he hit office anyway. Problem is nobody had a plan for when the busses never stopped. Now he is doing the right thing and appealing to the federal government for funding. As long as America provides asylum, wherever the people go, there should be funding to make sure we not just dumping folks and messing cities up. The problem is not blindly voting, my guy, as he ran on more than just migrants and to reduce it to that is being disingenuous at best and insulting to the black populace at worst.
What does Biden and Johnson specifically have to do with this issue? At least with Johnson, we know he had no plan hence the half-measures of dozens of folks being positioned at police stations and potentially hundreds at the airport. Biden is just operating within the law which has needed to be addressed since the 80's. Congress can change that but....
The migrants being IN CHICAGO is a Republican issue, as it is literally the governor of Texas and a few organizations sending them to specific cities for political reasons. Them being in the USA is a bipartisan issue. We need to argue with facts. They sat on this shyt for decades, both sides, because they have used patchwork solutions at various times. Again, bipartisan:
Remember DACA? That was an Obama executive order that was recently killed as it was ruled unlawful
Even Trump put many executive orders in place and undid some/most of Obamas, just as Biden has undone some of Trumps. Executive orders carry President to President. Drawing up an actual law is on Congress, otherwise you get a sensible policy one term that gets undone the next. A law is much harder to willy-nilly circumvent. I'm not sure what the video link was for, but of course John Cornyn, a Republican from Texas, publicly acts like its something Biden can just wave his hand at. Anything the President does in terms of executive orders are a court challenge away from going poof. People who have a problem with this need to contact their congressional representative and raise hell.
It should be strongly noted that reading Sir Richard Spirit's posts worry me.
Cause I fear my mix raced children might be like him one day.
Posting maga loving things on the coli.
jilla82
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the point is dems have not wanted to deal with this issue for decades.You didn't read Richard's comment. He asked if he was allowed to criticize the Fed. I said he is.
He has the right to welcome those folks, as they were being sent here before he hit office anyway. Problem is nobody had a plan for when the busses never stopped. Now he is doing the right thing and appealing to the federal government for funding. As long as America provides asylum, wherever the people go, there should be funding to make sure we not just dumping folks and messing cities up. The problem is not blindly voting, my guy, as he ran on more than just migrants and to reduce it to that is being disingenuous at best and insulting to the black populace at worst.
What does Biden and Johnson specifically have to do with this issue? At least with Johnson, we know he had no plan hence the half-measures of dozens of folks being positioned at police stations and potentially hundreds at the airport. Biden is just operating within the law which has needed to be addressed since the 80's. Congress can change that but....
The migrants being IN CHICAGO is a Republican issue, as it is literally the governor of Texas and a few organizations sending them to specific cities for political reasons. Them being in the USA is a bipartisan issue. We need to argue with facts. They sat on this shyt for decades, both sides, because they have used patchwork solutions at various times. Again, bipartisan:
Remember DACA? That was an Obama executive order that was recently killed as it was ruled unlawful
Even Trump put many executive orders in place and undid some/most of Obamas, just as Biden has undone some of Trumps. Executive orders carry President to President. Drawing up an actual law is on Congress, otherwise you get a sensible policy one term that gets undone the next. A law is much harder to willy-nilly circumvent. I'm not sure what the video link was for, but of course John Cornyn, a Republican from Texas, publicly acts like its something Biden can just wave his hand at. Anything the President does in terms of executive orders are a court challenge away from going poof. People who have a problem with this need to contact their congressional representative and raise hell.
and to make matters worse a large contingent of Dems basically want open borders.
its only now only an issue because they are in Dem cities and the people arent happy.
It doesnt matter if Lightfoot gave those folks the green light...
Johnson would have done the same because they are playing along with what the Democratic party wants.
youre framing what the border states are doing as a "stunt" but they are jam packed with people...
and again Dems have not wanted to deal with it...
I guess you could call that a Democrat stunt.
We've had all these years to figure out what to do with these people and when they come to NYC/Chicago nobody can get an answer!?
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I walk around a little edgy already
You fakkits and these title changes
Now you are speaking in odd generalities. Could Republicans not have solved it? They had all the juice 4 years ago. Both parties haven't done anything about it for varying reasons, not the least of which its easier to ignore it and do patchwork solutions ala executive orders. If you are ready to go down the senate/house.gov rabbit hole, you can see the history of bills and why them shyts have not moved. And thats assuming if they do reform the law, its in a way you like.
Its always been an issue, but border states get funding and federal infrastructure that a midwest state does not get. I continue to reiterate this point and its like its ignored repeatedly. Deportations have begun again and the only difference between now and the past is that this strategy, sending them to Blue cities, seems to work because the blame only goes one way as evidenced in this convo.
Lightfoot was hot off of a pandemic and didn't know what to do. Johnson doesn't know what to do. It's their jobs to figure it out, and I don't pretend that I would know day 1 or day 100 what to do. I can only sit and yell at my representatives.
There you are speaking in generalities again. I said TEXAS. I post links, and speak facts. Its one governor, Greg Abbott, and its a stunt. What is it they need to deal with?
Last point, "all these years" means little. This problem is represents a failure in Venezuela, hence their people fleeing. Title 42 ended when the pandemic officially "lifted" which ended sight-unseen "everybody gtfo" deportations that Trump used from a 1944 law in the case of health emergencies. Lawfully these people are being processed in Texas and sent around the country awaiting their cases getting taken up. As I mentioned multiple times before, ICE has 21 facilities in Texas, the most in the USA, and Biden has implemented rules about where and what they have to do before coming to the USA, but that does little for the ones already at the border for the time being. So to sum it up, Abbott gets to win political points and everybody gets mad at Democrats for not knowing how to deal with an issue that does not normally come to their cities. Asylum has been a thing for decades. It's the power-play that is new, hence Democratic mayors asking the federal government for the same funding the border states would get to help with the issue.
Sir Richard Spirit
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Then why can’t these posters do the same? Why can’t they believe this is planned against them? You keep saying there is no plan. Then why is there contracts for services and future plans to provide even more services? Who PLANNED the job fair? Who PLANNED the tent housing they are going to build.
Here is Brandon Johnson plan. It was released before he won.
Brandon Johnson for Mayor of Chicago
www.brandonforchicago.com
He talks about building permanent housing for asylum seekers.
Let’s stop saying there is no plan.
