Diondon
Thanks to the lawyers uh, I marbled the foyer
Bron stans watching KD being raked over the coals 
Charles Barkley: Kevin Durant is a Bus rider, not a Bus Driver
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Really that's at the heart of this entire thing. Still gotta play the game but they didn't need to be here in the first place.
This is so disrespectful 
. Especially coming from a no-title having hall of famer. Durant >>> Barkley. Durant was THE reason that the Warriors got their second wind after 2016 and won back to back titles. Especially in 2017, if Durant wasn't there, Lebron and the Cavs would've mud-stomped the Warriors.
. Especially coming from a no-title having hall of famer. Durant >>> Barkley. Durant was THE reason that the Warriors got their second wind after 2016 and won back to back titles. Especially in 2017, if Durant wasn't there, Lebron and the Cavs would've mud-stomped the Warriors.
Dwight Howard
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He averaged 35ppg. Wtf is this logic.
lol…nah barkley is see-thru…he gave himself away while talking…it bothers him that bcuz he doesn’t have a ring some players are elevated above him when those type of discussions are had…so he’s looking to discredit those players with his bus driver/bus rider argument…he’s not entirely wrong but something he said gave away his motive imo…a player like robert horry is a “bus rider” and I hate that term already but KD is not a bus rider type player…that’s ridiculous
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Dwight Howard
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Warriors have only won 1 finals without kd playing a cavs team missing its 2nd and 3rd best player. Wasn't really an even matchup either...acting like a dude that averaged 35ppg was just some luxury is ridiculous. They lose without kd.
The Devil's Advocate
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It's not "y'all nikkas"... It's an ex nba player and hall of famer.. It's not just him. Are we going to sit here and say that Barkley is the ONLY NBA player to ever have said this about KD??
It's not one bad series.. It's the fact that every team where he's the clear leader of the TEAM (not best player), the TEAM implodes on itself...
What would we say about Bron if he only had two Heat titles and nothing else? Hell the man won a ring a year ago (bubble ring tho) and had one bad year after, and we are KILLING that man.. What would we say about Jordan if his Bulls imploded and he only won when he joined Magic on the Lakers.. What would we say about D Wade or Kobe, who when handed the keys to a franchise, went out and did absolutely nothing with it? What would we say about Bird or Magic, if they weren't the leaders of their championship franchises...
KD is supposedly the best in the game right? Top 2 at least right? Definitely top 5... But we gonna sit around talking about how Dame don't have shyt and don't do shyt with his franchise, but can't demand the same of KD? If Dame joined the Warriors next year, won, and then went somewhere else to continue losing, what would we be saying about him?
Just keep it 100 with everyone. Place any other superstar in KD's career and we'd be having these same talks.. Why wouldn't we be? NBA players are having it
The Devil's Advocate
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People who cover football routinely speak on the game changes, the rule changes, how it's catered to offense and how they wish they could ball in this era.. While the defensive guys are constantly talking how soft and weak these guys are, cause they can't hit nobody and everything is a damn penalty...
It's damn near the exact same talk. Hell, they tried UNcrowning Pat Mahomes, the future of QBing, in year 3.. Already talking bout "Is josh allen better? B-b-b-b-but bengals went to the bowl? but if herbert was healthy... b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but backyard football won't work"
Remember how many fukking decades they cried how the option won't work... Tebow ran it and they was pissed.. Kaep ran it to the bowl.. Russ ran it to win a bowl... Then they changed the rules on them... Now they still running it.. And they STILL want to put these old timey qb's ahead cause "that's how a qb supposed to play"
They might be more subtle.. But listen to the ex players of ANY sport.. That ego don't go away. They all resent these new dudes and wish they could "play in this era where I'd be the MJ of this weak shyt" Literally every sport
Erratic415
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it sounds bad on first read. But all I'm saying is that those dudes are uber uber talented, but they're not leaders. They all need that stabilizing or galvanizing force so that all they have to do is hoop
I got Kareem top 3 at worse bro so it's no disrespect
It makes sense. Kareem was known more of a quiet guy, Oscar was an extremely tough leader and teammate, like a Jordan or Kobe. He talks about it a little in this SI article about Kobe.
Kobe's Killer Instinct | Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com
I would guess he was probably somewhat of a leader just by his status of being a great player for so long, and everyone had to respect that. The Showtime book by Jeff Pearlman (the one Winning Time is based on) said that Magic changed once Kareem retired and became much harsher on his teammates, like a 2nd Pat Riley. Seemed like Kareem sort of balanced it out.
Exclusive Book Excerpt: Bitter, Dark Days of Pat Riley and the 'Showtime' Lakers
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
There was no bus driver man they were in The Bay...it was a Telsa Cybertruck and that shyt was on Autopilot/Full Self Driving
Everyone knows this already. This only really went up for debate when it was convenient to use it as a cudgel in the Lebron vs KD debate. But no one ever believed KD was a nexus like that.
Charles has no rings, but it doesn't make him wrong here. KD is a great talent, but in this game you can be a great talent, and not be the leader a team needs to chip. Most great players arent/weren't. Thats why the few that exist get the praise that they do.
I say this completely independent of the current Nets series. This didn't just become true of KD in the last week. Dude been showing signs of this for years.
Charles has no rings, but it doesn't make him wrong here. KD is a great talent, but in this game you can be a great talent, and not be the leader a team needs to chip. Most great players arent/weren't. Thats why the few that exist get the praise that they do.
I say this completely independent of the current Nets series. This didn't just become true of KD in the last week. Dude been showing signs of this for years.
He's in that same class as AD and Kareem (imo). Always gonna be the most talented player on a team, but they just lack something internally to be the driving force.
EDIT: but fukk all that, what was Charles then
Honestly I think Charles is arguing in bad faith even though his points are solid.
He's always sour that he never won the "big one" and has to listen to Shaq and even sometimes Kenny lord it over him about it that he makes these grandiose statements about who should or shouldn't be given credit for getting it done.
KD was in no WAY "riding the bus" to those two championships and he WAS the best player on those teams. However, he wasn't the "sole" driver of that bus and he DID go to a stacked team. Both points in KD's case are true.
KD was also one big toe away from literally DRAGGING last year's Nets team to the finals so lets not act like a healthy KD in the driver's seat is destined to get you nowwhere.
