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[NatiboyB]

Rondo is without a doubt a top 5 pg. And the pg position is strong like center when Shawn first came in.

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[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

if you do not think:

wall
curry
nash
thomas
teague
lawson
irving
miller
holiday
augustine

i can name five to eight more skilled pg, or big guard pg's who would embarrass rondo's output.

aaron brooks
stuckey
smooth
bynum
evans
bron
wade
brandon knight

Rondo led all point guards in rebounds and led the league in assists. You're sleeping on Rondo's rebounding ability, which is crucial to a Celtic team that almost never crashes boards. The tip to Pietrus in the playoffs recently comes to mind as a play that very few other point guards make if placed in the same position, they would have been retreating in transition defense.

Anyway, if put on the Celtics, I think that out of the first group, only Curry, Nash, Irving, Wall and Lawson should be in the conversation (in no order).

Curry is too injury prone and is still a project at point guard. He doesn't have the vision to spread the ball like the Rondo does. If he stays healthy he will be a good player. His defense would have been exposed in the playoffs though.

Nash is a black hole defensively and wouldn't contribute anything on the boards, but would easily score more than Rondo and (probably) have as many or more assists. I think that the team, this year, would have been slightly worse with Nash, but probably in the same position. Long-term, Rondo is a no brainer.

Irving and Wall aren't seasoned enough at this point in their careers, but both have the potential to outperform Rondo. They should, they were both #1 picks in a draft. They are at the point in their careers where I would, as the Celtics, strongly consider trading Rondo for them, but would go into it knowing that they probably aren't quite as good as him at the very moment. I like Irving as a PG more than Wall, but Wall's athleticism would be tempting.

Lawson is intriguing. He's a good distributor, good shooter and plays pretty good defense. He is well balanced and young. The problem with him is that he has a tendency to disappear in games when his shooting isn't on point. He has proved he can carry a team at times though. He plays the game a bit more conventionally than Rondo, Im not sure if that would fit better for the Celtics, or make them more predictable and easier to gameplan against. I think each of the Big 3 would see a dip in points if Lawson was there instead of Rondo, due to the fact that Lawson would shoot more and find them easy shots slightly less. Would Lawson's scoring make this a worthwhile exchange? He only averaged 3 more points per game on a less talented team this year. Unsure.

Rondo's lack of shooting ability doesn't diminish his intelligence. Most who have studied Rondo's shooting claim that the problem is the immense size of his hands. Kawhi Leonard recently figured out how to shoot a bit more consistently with huge hands, so that excuse isn't necessarily as pure as it was, but that is what the scouts say. No one claimed Shaq had low b-ball IQ just because he couldn't shoot free throws.

Rubio is a worse shooter than Rondo so his mention was extraneous as well. Andre Miller is a solid point guard but is old at this point and would make the Celtics ridiculously slow. Holiday and Teague are good and improving, but both aren't as good as Rondo, who is also improving. Augustine is a bust. Thomas is nice, but was only a second rounder and played on a poor team. He needs to prove a whole lot more to be in the conversation with Rondo.

On Rondo's Jumpshot:

"He’s widely known as a woeful jump shooter, and that’s not an unfair assessment overall. But Rondo has a few sweet spots from which he is surprisingly effective, and as you can see in his bleak shot chart below, the area off the right elbow is one of those cases. In this area Rondo shot 56 percent, edging out Ty Lawson and Dirk, each at 53 percent.

Rondo also has a couple of pretty “warm” spots in each corner, at the elbow and one from 3. And in the playoffs, Rondo has stepped up his shooting. After hitting on 39% of his shots from 16-23 feet this season, Rondo’s now hitting 43% from that range. He’s hit 4 of 8 shots from 10-15 feet, a distance from which he shot 27.8% in the regular season (stats via HoopData)."

 

[chuckifubuck]

wait did this nikka put Bynum as one of the people who could run point better than rondo

 

[tremonthustler1]

thank you,..mr mod, suh!!!


art barr

I actually think your point overall is awful. I was just disagreeing with that one thing he said.

 

[Art Barr]

I actually think your point overall is awful. I was just disagreeing with that one thing he said.

oh,...stop deflecting.

you know as well as i do,..that rondo is trash and the list is dead on.

why do you think rondo is on the trading block every year.

it is because two of the highest pedigree pg's of the bball iq rich teams of the 80's. doc and ainge, know rondo is trash. plus just living off of the variables of the fo, and coaching.

the celtics were ranked 26th in offense with three of the highest pedigree pieces.

plus a bball iq rich undersized bass.

rondo ineffectively being unable to be traded speaks volumes about what a great pg he IS NOT.

like i said,..please beach comb the list and point out anyone.

who could not do what rondo has done. if moved to boston and played under doc's tutelage.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

wait did this nikka put Bynum as one of the people who could run point better than rondo

i hope you know which bynum we are talking about.


art barr

 

[tremonthustler1]

oh,...stop deflecting.

you know as well as i do,..that rondo is trash and the list is dead on.

why do you think rondo is on the trading block every year.

it is because two of the highest pedigree pg's of the bball iq rich teams of the 80's. doc and ainge, know rondo is trash. plus just living off of the variables of the fo, and coaching.

the celtics were ranked 26th in offense with three of the highest pedigree pieces.

plus a bball iq rich undersized bass.

rondo ineffectively being unable to be traded speaks volumes about what a great pg he IS NOT.

like i said,..please beach comb the list and point out anyone.

who could not do what rondo has done. if moved to boston and played under doc's tutelage.


art barr

So why was Boston insisting on keeping Rondo even if there was a possibility that it would cost them a shot at getting KG? Initially he was part of the deal, but Ainge and Doc negotiated a way to get Telfair in the deal instead.

When they shop Rondo, it's usually to find an upgrade like Chris Paul or a top 5 pick, they're clearly not trying to give him away, otherwise he'd be somewhere else.

 

[chuckifubuck]

i hope you know which bynum we are talking about.


art barr

I'm not gonna front like i didn't have to look the nikka up but after seeing him

 

[Art Barr]

Rondo led all point guards in rebounds and led the league in assists.

steve nash with less pedigree of skilled players, on roster.
in addition to a wack coach,..the equivalent of vinnie del negro without talent. produced the assist numbers you speak of.

You're sleeping on Rondo's rebounding ability, which is crucial to a Celtic team that almost never crashes boards. The tip to Pietrus in the playoffs recently comes to mind as a play that very few other point guards make if placed in the same position, they would have been retreating in transition defense.

if evan turner was on the celtics as a chi native. coupled with doc rivers the greatest pg postional mind in chicago history.

plus, allowed to rock the pg. without sharing community duties with holiday,..could also lead the pg position in rebounding, rather easily.

he could not replace rondo at this point.

yet, i saw the man give rondo hordes of trouble undercoached with wack ass doug collins.

plus i seen holiday absolutely son the entire celt's squad as well.

gtfoh,..with overprocessing rondo. anyone on that list i made could do what he does, in the celt's culture. also,..he does not even get the celt's in transition. the way a great rebounding pg does like kidd,..who when put with complementary parts took the league by storm last year to the finals. who humiliated a heat team,..that the celtics have gotten owned by two years in a row with inferior coaching and roster.

if we plug in kidd, in doc's system.

kidd's assist totals and rebounding would effectively show real true promise.
as well as would blow rondo's rebounding totals out of the water into the marginal stat that it is. on the 26th ranked offense,...no less.

Anyway, if put on the Celtics, I think that out of the first group, only Curry, Nash, Irving, Wall and Lawson should be in the conversation (in no order).

Curry is too injury prone and is still a project at point guard. He doesn't have the vision to spread the ball like the Rondo does. If he stays healthy he will be a good player. His defense would have been exposed in the playoffs though.

are we forgetting rondo was a four year project....
also,..if put onto doc's braintrust,..as a second gen player, curry would easily take to the coaching. evident by curry and klay thompson as a tandem being a proven gamble with mark jackson as coach. with less pedigree'd parts, and roster in comparison to the celt's roster and coaching.

Nash is a black hole defensively and wouldn't contribute anything on the boards, but would easily score more than Rondo and (probably) have as many or more assists. I think that the team, this year, would have been slightly worse with Nash, but probably in the same position. Long-term, Rondo is a no brainer.

nash with doc rivers is a problem at any age. plus finally nash would be put with a real coach. not a bullshyt run and gun loyola maramount style gimmick coaches. or, black player turned wack coaches like gentry and porter. whom should not be on the sidelines like vinnie del negro.

Irving and Wall aren't seasoned enough at this point in their careers, but both have the potential to outperform Rondo. They should, they were both #1 picks in a draft. They are at the point in their careers where I would, as the Celtics, strongly consider trading Rondo for them, but would go into it knowing that they probably aren't quite as good as him at the very moment. I like Irving as a PG more than Wall, but Wall's athleticism would be tempting.

Lawson is intriguing. He's a good distributor, good shooter and plays pretty good defense. He is well balanced and young. The problem with him is that he has a tendency to disappear in games when his shooting isn't on point. He has proved he can carry a team at times though. He plays the game a bit more conventionally than Rondo, Im not sure if that would fit better for the Celtics, or make them more predictable and easier to gameplan against. I think each of the Big 3 would see a dip in points if Lawson was there instead of Rondo, due to the fact that Lawson would shoot more and find them easy shots slightly less. Would Lawson's scoring make this a worthwhile exchange? He only averaged 3 more points per game on a less talented team this year. Unsure.

lawson on an inferior coached squad, as a rook just till a few years ago.

on an inferior coached, undersized and staffed nuggets sqaud,..produced and showed promise and mettle backing up smooth. plus,..smooth was ousted by lawson.

then, lawson inherited a small ball backcourt because of karl's continued ineptitude strategically as a coach. where his awful lineups lack proper rubrick to the nba game to consistently succeed.

karl will only go far, when he has two of size extradordinarily skilled postional players. other than that karl could not coach his way out a wet paper bag.
he has always relied on undersized high pedigree ball players. playing out of position to surprise teams. that is why when he had a roster tha could have competed that was of size. they failed because he is to inept to realize size and proper match-ups by typical bball iq and x's and o's.

karl will put anthony carter and ai on the court at the same time. just to illustrate this. when he has jr smith on the bench and won't run the no brainer of size lineup, to take advantage. lawson is a vctim of poor coaching. put him on the celt's and lawson produces on par or better than rondo easily under doc rivers. as lawson has produced in an inept coaching environment and ousted smooth as well.

Rondo's lack of shooting ability doesn't diminish his intelligence. Most who have studied Rondo's shooting claim that the problem is the immense size of his hands. Kawhi Leonard recently figured out how to shoot a bit more consistently with huge hands, so that excuse isn't necessarily as pure as it was, but that is what the scouts say. No one claimed Shaq had low b-ball IQ just because he couldn't shoot free throws.

your large hands arguement holds no weight. it is a plus as a shooter to have larger hands. connie hawkins and mj defy your bullshyt hand phsyiology stance. rondo having bigger hands hurts your arguement as a shooter. as you can easily palm the ball more readily and get it into a shooting motion quicker. if you have larger hands. on no day does large hands keep you from shooting well. rondo has a flat j like eric snow from msu and has poor mechanics. if he was so smart he would stop causing a rift with rey allen and pick up how to shoot with rey instead of argue'n.

gtfoh,..with your large hands arguement..

Rubio is a worse shooter than Rondo so his mention was extraneous as well

rubio helped make a less pedigree coached minnie team almost turn the corner before injury. rondo, before the big three in the green lantern pg corps was fourth on the depth charts. presenting those facts kills your arguement.

as rondo could not even get tick before the other pg's of that corps were ousted because of semantics outside of bball. as even telfair had personal pr issues as well as being to small physiologically to play at a high level as a pro.

rondo had physicality and college experience over telfair,...yet and still could not get above telfair on roster via depth. just to illustrate semantics playing a role in hindering telfsir past physiology.

Andre Miller is a solid point guard but is old at this point and would make the Celtics ridiculously slow.

actually miller maybe slow but his experience and west coast stint.

has yielded the nuggets playing and ranking above the celt's in offense.

so miller even in old age would aid the celt's on par or better than rondo.

miller has taken a starting pg spot from lawson. so i know he could be on par or marginalize rondo's output if miller was placed with doc. miller is a proven journeyman,..he may play basic ball, but he still gets the team where they should be given the variables of roster and coaching. in boston he would be with a much higher variable and quality of roster and coaching. which has benefitted rondo to the point. people have overprocessed rondo because of boston threeparty media blitzing.

also, Holiday and Teague are good and improving, but both aren't as good as Rondo, who is also improving.[\QUOTE]

did you watch last years and this years off's or any nba ball in the last two years.

holiday is the ballhandler who carved up the celt's to a game seven.

teague in the past two off's played in the same over his head manner rondo is credited for.

yet does not get the same pr blitzing that rondo does becsuse he is in boston.

Augustine is a bust.

augustine is one of the rapid rising pg's in the league after a rough start. with wack template coach larry brown. he is a coveted player and if you look for his pr comes highly rated. again you are showing your lack of actual knowledge from knowing these players.

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Thomas is nice, but was only a second rounder and played on a poor team.

thomas was a player who ousted a nightly oversized mismatch at pg and former rook of the year.

into a sg position and thomas is undersized. thomas had one of the most remarkable years of a rookie this year. in an inferior loser culture and environment. rondo in the same loser culture environment before the boston three party. never did what thomas did,..nor was he able to secure a hardlined starting role in the green lantern pg corps. while being of size and with doc rivers.

thomas's upside is way higher than rondo's. before doc was forced by semantics to forcibly ramp up rondo. which has taken four seasons,..whereas thomas in limited playing time IN A SHORTRNED SEASON.

became a starter has had a faster upside and ramp up. while being undersized and not on a team with the winning culture or coaching pedigree of doc rivers.
thomas in another healthy year is on par to perform statiscally or par or outdo rondo with less.

so that dispels your next statement about thomas.

He needs to prove a whole lot more to be in the conversation with Rondo.

On Rondo's Jumpshot:

"He’s widely known as a woeful jump shooter, and that’s not an unfair assessment overall. But Rondo has a few sweet spots from which he is surprisingly effective, and as you can see in his bleak shot chart below, the area off the right elbow is one of those cases. In this area Rondo shot 56 percent, edging out Ty Lawson and Dirk, each at 53 percent.

Rondo also has a couple of pretty “warm” spots in each corner, at the elbow and one from 3. And in the playoffs, Rondo has stepped up his shooting. After hitting on 39% of his shots from 16-23 feet this season, Rondo’s now hitting 43% from that range. He’s hit 4 of 8 shots from 10-15 feet, a distance from which he shot 27.8% in the regular season (stats via HoopData)."

i will not honor your talks of rondo, who can not shoot more than fifty percent from the field.

it is pg's who shoot,..high thirty to forty percent from three!

gtfoh here with this bullshyt chart,........

i would table you in the board room for bringing in a chart. that illustrates a midrange player improving to shooting a low forty percent conversion rate.

when they used to shoot thirty-nine percent. rondo just increased his number of shot attempts and still, pretty much shot the same.

while being left wide open because teams know he can not shoot. dude is eric snow from the field at best.

again rondo is garbage,..who else wants to get tabled!!


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'm not gonna front like i didn't have to look the nikka up but after seeing him

just admit you never seen him play.

plus, you thought i was talking about a center in la.

just stfu,...and before i table you.

making your face the resemble the smilie you posted.

while writhing in pain in the tabled wreckage.


art barr

 

[polo]

thomas was a player who ousted a nightly oversized mismatch at pg and former rook of the year.

into a sg position and thomas is undersized. thomas had one of the most remarkable years of a rookie this year. in an inferior loser culture and environment. rondo in the same loser culture environment before the boston three party. never did what thomas did,..nor was he able to secure a hardlined starting role in the green lantern pg corps. while being of size and with doc rivers.

thomas's upside is way higher than rondo's. before doc was forced by semantics to forcibly ramp up rondo. which has taken four seasons,..whereas thomas in limitd playing time to a starter has had a faster upside and rampmip. while bin undersized and not on a team with the winnig culture or coaching pedigree of doc rivers.
thomas in another healthy year is on par to outdo rondo with less.
so that dispels your next statement about thomas.



i willnot honor a pg who can not shoot more than fifty oercent from the field.

it is pg's who shoot,..high thirty to forty percent from three!

gtfoh here with this bullshyt chart,........

i would table you in the board room for bringing in a chart. that illustrates a midrange player improving to shooting a low forty percent conversion rate.

when they used to shoot thirty-nine percent. rondo just increased his number of shyt attempts and still, pretty much shot the same.

while being left open because teams know he can not shoot. dude is eric snow from the field at best.

again rondo is garbage,..who else wants to get tabled!!


art barr

What your failing to realize is what THOSE other players are missing .. AND im speaking only PGs , (smh at you comparing SFs and SGs to Rondo) . Who on your list is defensively equal to Rondo? Nash? Curry? Thomas? Stuckey? Not even close.. Hustle? Vision ? Playmaking ability? The only knock on Rondo is is Jumpshooting... Thats right Jumpshooting not exactly scoring because he can attack the rim at will if he wanted to.

And did u compare turner to rondo?

 

[Art Barr]

What your failing to realize is what THOSE other players are missing .. AND im speaking only PGs , (smh at you comparing SFs and SGs to Rondo) . Who on your list is defensively equal to Rondo? Nash? Curry? Thomas? Stuckey? Not even close.. Hustle? Vision ? Playmaking ability? The only knock on Rondo is is Jumpshooting... Thats right Jumpshooting not exactly scoring because he can attack the rim at will if he wanted to.

dawg,...no other team in the league but the bulls have actualized defensive prowess.

the bulls are coached by a celtic cultured individual.

of which rondo had the benefit of being ramped up and coached in.

so of course if rondo was exposed to the pedigree and forcibly made to ramp up because of semantics. rondo will be good defensively, because of what he was exposed to.

the convo is,..if exposed to doc rivers and the culture of the celtics.

there are twenty five black players, two international white players, and two sub six footers.

who could do what rondo has done, if they replaced rondo.

...derrick rose has been given upgraded marks from low ones, defensively with thibbs.

so what are you saying.

also,....bron, wade, turner and lance are pg by natural pedigree.

you just missed that part like you were not born to see magic play.

so spare me your lack of knowledge,..

that is for you to gain, on your own

......i already have superior iq and more knowledge than you.

And did u compare turner to rondo?

yes i did compare the highest equivalent in kidd.

to the lowest equivalent in turner. to show the dialectic of the best ballhandler and rebounder. to the lowest common denominator in ball handling and rebounding.

as i noted turner as a pg from his natural pedigree from hs/ncaa/nba, as a one. turned one or two or three depending upon doug collins ineptitude creating and honing a roster or line-up.


art barr

 

[polo]

dawg,...no other team in the league but the bulls have actualized defensive prowess.

the bulls are coached by a celtic cultured individual.

of which rondo had the benefit of being ramped up and coached in.

so of course if rondo was exposed to the pedigree and forcibly made to ramp up because of semantics. rondo will be good defensively, because of what he was exposed to.

the convo is,..if exposed to doc rivers and the culture of the celtics.

there are twenty five black players, two international white players, and two sub six footers.

who could do what rondo has done, if they replaced rondo.

...derrick rose has been given upgraded marks from low ones, defensively with thibbs.

so what are you saying.

also,....bron, wade, turner and lance are pg by natural pedigree.

you just missed that part like you were not born to see magic play.

so spare me your lack of knowledge,..

that is for you to gain, on your own

......i already have superior iq and more knowledge than you.




yes i did compare the highest equivalent in kidd.

to the lowest equivalent in turner. to show the dialectic of the best ballhandler and rebounder. to the lowest common denominator in ball handling and rebounding.

as i noted turner as a pg from his natural pedigree from hs/ncaa/nba, as a one. turned one or two or three depending upon doug collins ineptitude creating and honing a roster or line-up.


art barr

Once again. What you are failing to realize is what the pgs you named are missing that can not be taught. It seems like your going in circles.. I can probably name some pgs that have played with better talent than allen pierce and garnett, that are not on rondos level... Why? Because they are missing tangibles that rondo has

 

[Art Barr]

Art Barr,

How does it make you feel that you typed up all that nonsense that I refuse to read?



Worst post in The-Coli history.

if it is the worst post,..then why have you not posted any facts to debunk what i posted.

the thing is you can not. as no facts support you being able to debunk it.

so,..stfu and continue not reading or searching for facts like usual.

you, mechanically illiterate fukking a$$hole..

art barr