Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
I heard a while back he’s expected to play within the next five weeks
Cavs 18-1 in their last 19 - haters quiet as hell
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The Heat were CLEARLY the better team (IMO) - more experience and had three players who were in their primes/peaks and arguably the best at their respective positions. The same folks who were pushing this Durant's on the better team shyt in the '16 Finals (also as reason to suggest LeBron was still the best player despite coming up against a better team), completely ignored it in 2012 - in fact they used it as evidence for LeBron "owning" Durant, and that Durant shouldn't even be compared to him. Just imagine if the reverse was put forward last season, if folks told those very same people LeBron shouldn't even be compared to Durant. What would the reaction be?So are you suggesting the 2012 heat were miles better or more stacked from top to bottom than the 2012 thunder? That’s the only other time they met in the playoffs and they finished a game apart in the standings.
This is all ties into them using LeBron's career-record v. Durant, as argument against Durant; ignoring that he was at a distinct team disadvantage for a large portion of those games.
This is why I said there are no excuses if one is still of the belief that LeBron is the best player in the league - don't you dare bring up any of this team bullshyt, because you didn't do it in the past.
2012 NBA Playoffs - Finals - Thunder vs. Heat - ESPN
Thunder were the favorites by most analysts.
https://www.google.com/amp/hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/11/blogtable-finals-predictions-2/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibti...mi-heat-vs-oklahoma-city-thunder-702312?amp=1
-Thunder were betting favorites in Vegas
So what are you talking about? Durant was first team All-NBA and highly regarded as the best scoring forward in the league in 2012 with Lebron being the "overall better" player but Durant at a close second.
resistanze
Pro
The Heat were CLEARLY the better team - more experience and had three players who were in their primes/peaks and arguably the best at their respective positions. The same folks who were pushing this Durant's on the better team shyt in the '16 Finals (also as reason to suggest LeBron was still the best player despite coming up against a better team), completely ignored it in 2012 - in fact they used it as evidence for LeBron "owning" Durant, and that Durant shouldn't even be compared to him. Just imagine if the reverse was put forward last season, if folks told those very same people LeBron shouldn't even be compared to Durant. What would the reaction be?
This is all ties into them using LeBron's career-record v. Durant, as argument against Durant; ignoring that he was at a distinct team disadvantage for a large portion of those games.
This is why I said there are no excuses if one is still of the belief that LeBron is the best player in the league - don't you dare bring up any of this team bullshyt, because you didn't do it in the past.
Multiple sports analysts, Vegas betting odds, and the like show you as a hindsight is 20/20 mofo. OKC was looked at as the betting favorite.
2012 NBA Playoffs - Finals - Thunder vs. Heat - ESPN
https://www.google.com/amp/hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/11/blogtable-finals-predictions-2/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibti...mi-heat-vs-oklahoma-city-thunder-702312?amp=1
Yea and Conor Mcgregor was given better betting odds of beating Floyd Mayweather by Vegas than actual world champion boxers.
If you're gonna bring up something as meaningless as Vegas betting odds for comparing players/teams you might as well start using NBA live ratings and tweet counts, they're equally as relevant to actual games (I.E. they mean jack shyt).
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
The Heat were CLEARLY the better team (IMO) - more experience and had three players who were in their primes/peaks and arguably the best at their respective positions. The same folks who were pushing this Durant's on the better team shyt in the '16 Finals (also as reason to suggest LeBron was still the best player despite coming up against a better team), completely ignored it in 2012 - in fact they used it as evidence for LeBron "owning" Durant, and that Durant shouldn't even be compared to him. Just imagine if the reverse was put forward last season, if folks told those very same people LeBron shouldn't even be compared to Durant. What would the reaction be?
This is all ties into them using LeBron's career-record v. Durant, as argument against Durant; ignoring that he was at a distinct team disadvantage for a large portion of those games.
This is why I said there are no excuses if one is still of the belief that LeBron is the best player in the league - don't you dare bring up any of this team bullshyt, because you didn't do it in the past.
I always argue that the better team wins the series. Oklahoma City was the betting favorite on account of having home court advantage and 3 major players in the Heat’s rotation were dealing with injuries, including the second and third best players on the team. Both Wade and Bosh needed surgery in the offseason and had to skip the olympics. This was a pretty big deal. Miami had more talent and experience, but they weren’t healthy. This was a major reason the series was so close. Game 1 was a one point game after 3 quarters, and games 2-4 weren’t decided until the final 10 seconds of the game. At no point in that statement did I argue the thunder were a better team. It was a close matchup between two evenly matched teams and Miami’s experience in big games proved to be the difference ahead of the thunder’s youth and athleticism advantage.The Heat were clearly the better team, in my opinion (I did say that in my post). Those odds were set largely due to the fact they collapsed in the '11 Finals, and didn't look that great throughout the '12 playoffs, whereas OKC just knocked off SA - arguably the "favorite" to win heading into the 2012 postseason.
I don't particularly give a fukk about "Vegas" in this context, as the betting lines change depending on narratives/action.
I wasn't talking about YOU specifically (you = those who were guilty), I was talking about those who've brought up Durant's record v. LeBron in the past. They never attempted to be rational/reasonable when Durant was at a team/career-disadvantage against LeBron (they were using it to condemn Durant; pointing to just how inferior he was to Bron). Now that LeBron's at a team/career-disadvantage, only NOW do they want to start addressing the team/career context.
Just imagine how those folks would react if one said Durant was the better player (when he was losing to LeBron), and used the notion that LeBron only wins because he has a team/career-advantage.
Kovu
All Star
We waiting for them to lose again. Duh 
kingdarius
Wtf u talkin bout? Ya Bish
Same timetable. Middle of January. Few weeks before the all star break to get him a few games before the real grind
You talking
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
And the warriors have 4 players better than the cavs 2nd best
@ Draymon and Klay being better than Love
Fortunate Lee
Superstar
I don't care if the Cavs win/lose, when y'all LeBron stans already made yourselves look like idiots (for the 1000th time) trying to shyt on Kyrie after the Celtics went 0-2, and then shifted the argument as he led his team to the best record in the league.