Can we all admit that Kanye West will leave a bigger trace in music history than Jay-Z?

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Roman Polanski is low key one of the greatest directors of his generation, we see how that went with him

In 20 years you’re going to have a new generation of youth that when Kanye West is mentioned they’re going to go “that crazy dude who supported Nazi’s, lost all his money, and kept running for president? HE was a rapper?! I’ll pass”

 

[daiquiridream]

I loved Kanye for not just rapping about killing people. His music is a breath of fresh air. But unfortunately he will probably be remembered as a self hater. Its no coincidence he can relate to the self hater Hitler who was part jewish.

 

[zayk35]

Kanye fell off after 2.5 albums. Graduation was the last album worth a damn and even then you could see where he was headed with that tape.

He used too many writers as well.

Exactly. Everything has been over produced trash.

 

[Kuro]

Imaginary players > everything kanye ever made

Kendrick albums > kanye albums

 

[dangerranger]

Absolutely not

ESPECIALLY given current circumstances

At the rate he’s going Kanye will go down as a clown and an epic example of how mental illness and ego can ruin a legacy.

Jay-Z is forever imprinted within music history. From the records he broke, his longevity, successfully transitioning from the streets to the fame, ANY rapper who calls themselves a “businessman” from this point forward will inevitably be compared to Jay-Z. Not to mention his very real stans in the upper echelon of journalism (Elliot Wilson, Dream Hampton) and music history (9th Wonder, Guru) will move Heaven and EARTH to make sure his legend never truly fades.

10-15 years from now we’ll have documentaries on the making of The Blueprint series. Commemorative American Gangster re-releases. Remasters for his music videos. 4K versions of his iconic tours and concerts. Articles about how Vol.2 “shifted” the culture. Pretty much every era of the man’s career is a gold mine for propaganda.

And thats not even dipping into how they can commercialize, repackage, and celebrate his business acumen. Becoming president of Def Jam. The “coin toss” story that led to BP3 being distributed through Atlantic. The story of how Roc-A-Wear took over the hip hop fashion game. Him partnering with Live Nation for a historic recording/touring deal that lead to Roc Nation, which led to J.Cole and Jay Electronica launching their careers.


Jay can literally maximize his own legacy until Blue Ivy has children.


Kanye meanwhile will be looked at as a cautionary tale. Somebody with all the talent and drive in the world who flamed out due to his own demons, idiocy, and ignorance. By the time the very white folks he championed and upheld get ahold of his legacy, they’ll tarnish it, twist it, and set it aflame worse than they EVER did Michael Jackson’s. College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, and 808’s & Heartbreak are undeniable. But EVERYTHING else, even MBDTF could realistically be rewritten as the schizophrenic ramblings of a burgeoning madman. They won’t even give him the “mad genius” label. They’ll harp on the Taylor Swift controversies.They’ll harp on WHATEVER Kim Kardashian says he did or said (And she’ll throw him under the bus in revenge for all the mud he’s slung her way during the divorce) They’ll harp on the TMZ interviews (which according to many were the genesis of his Hitler and Nazi sympathizing era) and all the other shyt, to the point it OVERSHADOWS his music.

Jay’s musical legacy will outpoint, outnumber, and outlast Kanye’s because his legacy will be written as one of triumph whereas Kanye’s will be one of tragedy

dope post

 

[Solo_87]

Thing is, Kanye was responsible for a lot of songs on The Blueprint


So yes, Kanyes career is better than Jays and will be remembered more (even though this shyt he’s doing now won’t help him).

But that’s because of the things he did not just with his music, with other peoples music as well. Having the production credits on classics, the shyt he’s done in fashion (Yeezys are damn near legendary… almost of Jordans level). Dude had clothes (which I think are trash), shoes, slippers, music, production, etc

The question who will leave a bigger trace in music history

While Kanye produced some heat for Jay, J is the main reason Blue Print is considered a classic by many. J has also penned classic hiphop records for others ie. Still Dre

J is ultimately the more respected artist and songwriter by his peers. He has influenced the likes of Lil Wayne and Drake. J's records are still being heavily sampled by younger artist

Young and old still quote J

J is the only rapper in the Song Writers Hall of Fame. He's on the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame. Has 20+ Grammys. 12 platinum albums

30 yrs in, J drop a freestyle today. Ppl stop to listen. Ppl are discussing his wordplay, change of flow, etc Kanye the last 5 or more years has heavily relied on gimmicks outside of music to get attention

Due to Kanye's antics, J has a better chance of capitalizing off his legacy , keeping his name alive in the future

 

[Paper Boi]

fukk em both


nas won

 

[AngryBaby]

Honestly the worst type of stagnate ass, old head, out of touch black people disagree with this.

Thecoli is full of em' hence they need to be on this forum lol

Kanye did wayyy cooler shyt from a musicality standpoint. Jay-z was just another okay MC nikka that isnt going to experiment, and didnt have talent to do so.

 

[AngryBaby]

The question who will leave a bigger trace in music history

While Kanye produced some heat for Jay, J is the main reason Blue Print is considered a classic by many. J has also penned classic hiphop records for others ie. Still Dre

J is ultimately the more respected artist and songwriter by his peers. He has influenced the likes of Lil Wayne and Drake. J's records are still being heavily sampled by younger artist

Young and old still quote J

J is the only rapper in the Song Writers Hall of Fame. He's on the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame. Has 20+ Grammys. 12 platinum albums

30 yrs in, J drop a freestyle today. Ppl stop to listen. Ppl are discussing his wordplay, change of flow, etc Kanye the last 5 or more years has heavily relied on gimmicks outside of music to get attention

Due to Kanye's antics, J has a better chance of capitalizing off his legacy , keeping his name alive in the future

Kanye made better songs. Period lol.

 

[Claudex]

Ain't it too soon for y'all to acknowledge anything about Kanye? That nikka embarassing the race something serious, like. Cotdamn, y'all need to find a "positive" about this c00n that bad?

 

[Solo_87]

Kanye made better songs. Period lol.

Lol

To you

J is still going to leave a more favorable mark on music history

 

[Carlton Banks]

IMO Jay Z is the single most overrated rapper ever. Does he have hits? Yes. But, he hasn’t been that guy in a loooooooong time.

And he's boring AF generally

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Roman Polanski is low key one of the greatest directors of his generation, we see how that went with him

In 20 years you’re going to have a new generation of youth that when Kanye West is mentioned they’re going to go “that crazy dude who supported Nazi’s, lost all his money, and kept running for theyselves president? HE was a rapper?! I’ll pass”

cac maga kanye supporter cant help theydelves

fukk does child rapist polanski have to due with this thread

these slow maga faggits always projecting.. prob dont even know what the term means

What does Hollywood's reverence for child rapist Roman Polanski tell us?

It’s 40 years this week since the director and convicted sex offender went on the run. What does his continued success reveal about the film world’s true attitude towards sexual assault?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Them shyts sell their lil 50K and fall off the charts within a month. Nas is cool—for an elder statesmen he’s doing well but he’s nowhere near Jay’s level of relevancy and it’s comical people try to link them together in 2022 as if they are on the same tier of impact and relevancy. I like KD3, I’m a fan of Nas, but y’all gotta stop coming into threads with the sly shots and trying to act like Nas and Jay are on the same tier of relevance in 2022. I don’t give a fukk who anyone thinks it’s better in terms of relevance Jay is still a star level rapper.

Why would people still be talking about 4:44? It came out 5 years ago, what album from 5 years ago is anyone talking about? 4:44 had its impact in the culture in real time when it dropped. Jay can headline the Garden at any time.

Nobody cares about these 90’s rap albums like that it’s 2022 my man. It’s cool for the culture and lore of the genre and all that but generally the world has moved on. I addressed that Reasonable Doubt comment.

I know you're a bigger fan of Jay, but you severely downplay what Nas has been doing in an attempt to boost Jay up. It's unnecessary and borderline disrespectful. You guys act like Jay is being compared to AZ. It's Nas, one of the most important rappers in the history of the genre. Him and Jay are in their own class. It's on the wall. Whether or not you think one is more relevant than the other has nothing to do with the fact that they're both legends running the same race.

When 21 Savage said Nas wasn't relevant, he got lit up for it. If Nas wasn't in the position he's in now, nobody would care what 21 said and they would probably agree.

It's a known fact that the media goes out of its way to act like Nas isn't still around. Rolling Stone stopped reviewing Nas albums after King's Disease because people called them out on what they were doing. Look at their list of the top 100 albums of 2022. No King's Disease III.

I don't really care if Jay can headline the Garden. We both know he can. The point is, Nas is headlining in February. And he's not going to be performing "N.Y. State of Mind" or "I Can," he's performing "Rare" and "I'm on Fire."

I have no idea what that last statement even means. Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt are all-time classics. Nobody's moved on from them. They're always going to matter because they're classic. Thriller, Pet Sounds, What's Going On, and Sgt. Pepper's came out years ago, so I guess everybody's moved on from those albums, too, right?

 

[Payday23]

One will be remembered as a legend. The other a Nazi loving fascist