California State lawmakers pass K-12 transgender-rights bill

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State Sen. Jim Nielson, R-Gerber, calls for lawmakers to reject a bill regarding transgender students, at the Capitol in Sacramento, Calif., Wednesday, July 3, 2013. By a 21-9 vote the Senate approved AB1266, by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, that would require that public K-12 schools let transgender students choose which restrooms they use and which school teams they join based on their gender identity. (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli)
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California lawmakers approved a bill Wednesday that would require public K-12 schools to let transgender students choose which restrooms they use and which school teams they join based on their gender identity instead of their chromosomes.
Some school districts around the country have implemented similar policies, but the bill's author says AB1266 would mark the first time a state has mandated such treatment by statute.
Existing state law already prohibits California schools from discriminating against students based on their gender identity, but the legislation that passed the state Senate on Wednesday spells that out in more detail, said Carlos Alcala, a spokesman for the bill's author, Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco.
At least two others state, Massachusetts and Connecticut, have statewide policies granting the same protections, but neither policy is in statute, according to the Gay-Straight Alliance Network.
The issue has become a battle in some local school districts around the country. For instance, a Colorado family filed a complaint with the state's civil rights office in March, claiming that their local school had violated the state's nondiscrimination laws. The family had been told that their first-grader, who was born a boy, could not use the girl's bathroom and would have to use the restroom in the nurse's office or the teachers' lounge.
California's bill would give students the right "to participate in sex-segregated programs, activities and facilities" based on their self-perception, regardless of their birth gender.
It sparked an impassioned debate on the Senate floor about when transgender students' right to expression might conflict with other students' discomfort and right to privacy.
Supporters said the bill is needed to protect students from bullying and other abuse. They also said it represents the next front in their effort to provide equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals, just days after same-sex marriages resumed in California.
"There should be certainty that every kid has the chance to go to school and be treated equally and fairly," said Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, who carried the bill in the Senate. "We know that these particular students suffer much abuse and bullying and denigration. We can't change that overnight, but what we can do is make sure that the rules are such that they get a fair shake."
Opponents said the state is going too far if it permits opposite-sex students to use restrooms and locker rooms.
"It is not all about discrimination. Elementary and secondary students of California — our most impressionable, our most vulnerable — now may be subjected to some very difficult situations," said Republican Sen. Jim Nielsen.
Parents, school administrators and school board members would have no say over students who identify themselves as transgender and enter shower rooms or bathrooms used by the opposite sex, Nielsen said, warning that the privilege could be abused by youthful sex offenders.
"Think about the millions of California parents and students who at the least would be extraordinarily uncomfortable with what this bill would impose upon them," Nielsen said.
Sen. Steve Knight, R-Palmdale, and Sen. Rod Wright, D-Inglewood, each said that male athletes who are mediocre in competition against their own gender could game the system by competing against female athletes.
"There are kids out there that are struggling, that are having difficult times," Knight said. "But there are also kids that are going to take advantage of the system."
Nielsen and Knight voted against the bill, while Wright was among eight members of both parties who did not vote. Wright also worried that schools could eliminate football and other contact sports if they faced increased liability by letting girls play.
Sen. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, said several major California school districts have had similar policies for years covering thousands of students.
"To date there's been no single reported incident of any misconduct," Lara said. "Let's not confuse silly behavior issues with sensitive gender identity issues."
The Senate passed the bill on a vote of 21-9. It previously passed the Assembly and now goes to the governor.
A spokesman for the Democratic governor said the administration would not comment on pending legislation.
 

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Some people will be very angry, but ultimately, the research we have supports the idea of early integration. People will eventually get over their folk-mythologies on the subject, even if it takes some time.
 

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funny how confining a male in a skirt or a woman with a fade and a throwback to their appropriate bathroom is considered 'discrimination' when heterosexuals are under those same guidelines. crossdressing kids get to choose which bathrooms they get to go to but normal kids don't. isn't that 'discrimination'? what's so stupid about this is if a white kid feels 'he's black' and feels like he's a black man trapped inside a white body, are we going to let him apply for black scholarships too?
 

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Some people will be very angry, but ultimately, the research we have supports the idea of early integration. People will eventually get over their folk-mythologies on the subject, even if it takes some time.

What percentage of the little boys who think they are little girls and vice versa will change their minds by the time they get older?

This is pure foolishness, schools should NOT be getting involved with this kind of garbage.
 

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funny how confining a male in a skirt or a woman with a fade and a throwback to their appropriate bathroom is considered 'discrimination' when heterosexuals are under those same guidelines. crossdressing kids get to choose which bathrooms they get to go to but normal kids don't. isn't that 'discrimination'? what's so stupid about this is if a white kid feels 'he's black' and feels like he's a black man trapped inside a white body, are we going to let him apply for black scholarships too?

Excellent point.

It's all about the "feels" right?
 

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Some people will be very angry, but ultimately, the research we have supports the idea of early integration. People will eventually get over their folk-mythologies on the subject, even if it takes some time.

:comeon: these are kids. What about the freaky little 16 year old that says he feels like a girl just so he can gain access to girls locker room?

Where do we draw the line? How do we determine who really has a gender identity problem?


And the bolded is what I always hate about these conversations. Y'all try to act like the people who identify as the sex/sexuality that matches the physicality they were born with are somehow abnormal or misinformed:mindblown:
 

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Some people will be very angry, but ultimately, the research we have supports the idea of early integration. People will eventually get over their folk-mythologies on the subject, even if it takes some time.

Of course the resident liberal fanatic would immediately agree with the idea. :snoop:

Thank God I don't live in California. Its sad this is the only thing those politicians could sit down and agree on.
 

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Devastating arguments. I guess I was wrong. :skip:

What percentage of the little boys who think they are little girls and vice versa will change their minds by the time they get older?

This is pure foolishness, schools should NOT be getting involved with this kind of garbage.

You bring up an important point- how do we know that it's not just a phase? Well, one thing we know for sure at this point is that the earlier true trans kids transition, the fewer problems they have later on, which is what I was getting at with my mention of research, so it's important to take the child's claims seriously, even if they are young. Now that doesn't mean any gender-nonconformity displayed at that age should be treated like a sign of trans identity, and that's an important distinction to make. A boy wanting to try on his mother's jewelry once or twice doesn't mean he's going to be trans, or even generally effeminate. But a boy persistently claiming that he feels like a girl over a longer period of time might be. The research we have now suggests that gender identity is well-formed enough between the ages of 2 and 4 that a boy or girl repeatedly claiming to feel like the other gender at that age will probably be trans, and the percentage of kids at that age for whom it ends up being a phase is very low (in the single digits, I believe- I'll try and find the cite when I have time,) so the time needed to determine it isn't on the order of several years, but less.

Usually, it's best to consult with a psych, even better if it's someone who specializes in gender identity issues. I would tend to trust their diagnoses.


:comeon: these are kids. What about the freaky little 16 year old that says he feels like a girl just so he can gain access to girls locker room?

Where do we draw the line? How do we determine who really has a gender identity problem?

And the bolded is what I always hate about these conversations. Y'all try to act like the people who identify as the sex/sexuality that matches the physicality they were born with are somehow abnormal or misinformed:mindblown:

Yes, they are kids. But as I said, all the research we have currently states that human gender identity is well-formed enough between the ages of 2 and 4 to define them for the rest of their lives. See my response to onedeen for that and how to determine who has a gender identity issue. And also remember, since you brought up sexuality, that trans identity and gender identity in general have nothing to do with sexuality- they aren't sexual orientations, but gender identities, so this isn't a matter of forcing kids into sexuality too young. We all knew how we felt in terms of gender long before we knew about or were thinking about sex and sexual orientations.

As for boys sneaking into the girls' locker room- people don't mysteriously become trans as teenagers, without a longer history of gender non-conforming behavior, so that's one way to tell a person is lying. The other is simply that they would have to present like a girl all the time, not just when it came to the locker room. How many non-trans men do you know who would be willing to act like and call themselves a girl all the time just to get a few minutes every week in a girls' locker room, especially in a viciously judgmental middle or high school environment? That's not a trade off I or any of the other dudes I knew back then would make. The social repercussions to presenting yourself as the opposite gender are serious- you get treated like shyt. People generally aren't going to publicly identify as the opposite gender unless it's absolutely essential to their sense of self.

And lastly, my comment about folk-mythology is relevant. I'm not saying that people whose sex and gender match up are misinformed- why would I do that? :what: Examples of folk mythology in this case would be people saying things like "a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl and that's that"- nature just isn't that simple. We can't live in denial as a society when all the evidence is in front of us that there are some people who really feel like the opposite, and that it isn't a mental illness (as illness is scientifically defined.)
 

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Devastating arguments. I guess I was wrong. :skip:



You bring up an important point- how do we know that it's not just a phase? Well, one thing we know for sure at this point is that the earlier true trans kids transition, the fewer problems they have later on, which is what I was getting at with my mention of research, so it's important to take the child's claims seriously, even if they are young. Now that doesn't mean any gender-nonconformity displayed at that age should be treated like a sign of trans identity, and that's an important distinction to make. A boy wanting to try on his mother's jewelry once or twice doesn't mean he's going to be trans, or even generally effeminate. But a boy persistently claiming that he feels like a girl over a longer period of time might be. The research we have now suggests that gender identity is well-formed enough between the ages of 2 and 4 that a boy or girl repeatedly claiming to feel like the other gender at that age will probably be trans, and the percentage of kids at that age for whom it ends up being a phase is very low (in the single digits, I believe- I'll try and find the cite when I have time,) so the time needed to determine it isn't on the order of several years, but less.

Usually, it's best to consult with a psych, even better if it's someone who specializes in gender identity issues. I would tend to trust their diagnoses.




Yes, they are kids. But as I said, all the research we have currently states that human gender identity is well-formed enough between the ages of 2 and 4 to define them for the rest of their lives. See my response to onedeen for that and how to determine who has a gender identity issue. And also remember, since you brought up sexuality, that trans identity and gender identity in general have nothing to do with sexuality- they aren't sexual orientations, but gender identities, so this isn't a matter of forcing kids into sexuality too young. We all knew how we felt in terms of gender long before we knew about or were thinking about sex and sexual orientations.

As for boys sneaking into the girls' locker room- people don't mysteriously become trans as teenagers, without a longer history of gender non-conforming behavior, so that's one way to tell a person is lying. The other is simply that they would have to present like a girl all the time, not just when it came to the locker room. How many non-trans men do you know who would be willing to act like and call themselves a girl all the time just to get a few minutes every week in a girls' locker room, especially in a viciously judgmental middle or high school environment? That's not a trade off I or any of the other dudes I knew back then would make. The social repercussions to presenting yourself as the opposite gender are serious- you get treated like shyt. People generally aren't going to publicly identify as the opposite gender unless it's absolutely essential to their sense of self.

Your point about

And lastly, my comment about folk-mythology is relevant. I'm not saying that people whose sex and gender match up are misinformed- why would I do that? :what: Examples of folk mythology in this case would be people saying things like "a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl and that's that"- nature just isn't that simple. We can't live in denial as a society when all the evidence is in front of us that there are some people who really feel like the opposite, and that it isn't a mental illness (as illness is scientifically defined.)
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