Ca Governor signs anti Racial Profiling Bill

[notPsychosiz]

Of course, but this highlights the need for a mass, radical working class movement capable of pushing through reforms that can actually lead to weakening and overcoming capitalism. Part and parcel of that would be weakening the power of the system's thugs on the street.

The working class cannot and does not push through reform. It never has. All reform is implemented by the controlling interests (the ruling class; judges, bankers, politicians, the rich).

All the working class does is work.
Its right there on the tin.

Historically they have never done what you are talking about, or come close, or even tried.

The majority do not even understand the issues.
Do to a tactic called Decimination of Power, the working class is helpless, legally.
A corporation, a politician, a judge, a Koch Brother... they all have a vote and a say in the process.
Do to the working class delegating their inherent vote to an elected official (a mayor, a governer, etc) a mass of hundreds of thousands of people legally has its power deceminated down to 1 vote (the mayor, governer, etc) against the 1 vote of the business or the 1 vote of the rich person.

So instead of the mass of 100,000 simply storming the building of the corporation that is fraking the land polluting their water supply, now it becomes an civil arguement between the corporation and the one person the 100,000 people have appointed to argue on their behalf.

Quite Ridiculous at its core.
This is why people that advocate for voting to fix problems are no threat to the ruling class. Voting is the worst thing a mass can do. It ensures they do not take direct action because they are pacified into believing somebody somewhere else is doing something.

If you have a problem with the laws or ruling class the first thing the ruling class tells you is "Well, go vote."
Your interests are opposite theirs, why would you listen to their advice?

It takes 10 minutes of reading and research to understand that the only thing that has ever worked is direct action.
Most notably, Propaganda of the deed.
Propaganda of the deed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

9/11?
Security reform.

Cops die?
They put the breaks on stop and frisk.

Occupy Wallstreet?
Nobody gives a fukk. The money men pay the cops to move it down the street and they go about their business, ignoring the stupid protests.

There has never been a revolution without direct action.
These are the facts.

 

[JahFocus CS]

The working class cannot and does not push through reform. It never has. All reform is implemented by the controlling interests (the ruling class; judges, bankers, politicians, the rich).

All the working class does is work.
Its right there on the tin.

Historically they have never done what you are talking about, or come close, or even tried.

The majority do not even understand the issues.
Do to a tactic called Decimination of Power, the working class is helpless, legally.
A corporation, a politician, a judge, a Koch Brother... they all have a vote and a say in the process.
Do to the working class delegating their inherent vote to an elected official (a mayor, a governer, etc) a mass of hundreds of thousands of people legally has its power deceminated down to 1 vote (the mayor, governer, etc) against the 1 vote of the business or the 1 vote of the rich person.

So instead of the mass of 100,000 simply storming the building of the corporation that is fraking the land polluting their water supply, now it becomes an civil arguement between the corporation and the one person the 100,000 people have appointed to argue on their behalf.

Quite Ridiculous at its core.
This is why people that advocate for voting to fix problems are no threat to the ruling class. Voting is the worst thing a mass can do. It ensures they do not take direct action because they are pacified into believing somebody somewhere else is doing something.

If you have a problem with the laws or ruling class the first thing the ruling class tells you is "Well, go vote."
Your interests are opposite theirs, why would you listen to their advice?

It takes 10 minutes of reading and research to understand that the only thing that has ever worked is direct action.
Most notably, Propaganda of the deed.
Propaganda of the deed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

9/11?
Security reform.

Cops die?
They put the breaks on stop and frisk.

Occupy Wallstreet?
Nobody gives a fukk. The money men pay the cops to move it down the street and they go about their business, ignoring the stupid protests.

There has never been a revolution without direct action.
These are the facts.

I agree with the need for direct action, but what on earth are you talking about that the working class has never done the things I suggested? Domestic and international history is filled with examples of amazing and successful working class struggles, some of which resulted in revolutions, others that forced serious concessions from the ruling class.

I am not at all saying that voting is sufficient. The system needs to be overturned and voting won't do that. But the bourgeoisie needs to be contested on every terrain, including in electoral politics.

In the end, the power of the working class is felt at the workplace (the point of production) and in the streets.

 

[Deezy314619]

CA = GOAT state. Don't know & haven't read the bill yet tho lol

 

[notPsychosiz]

I agree with the need for direct action, but what on earth are you talking about that the working class has never done the things I suggested? Domestic and international history is filled with examples of amazing and successful working class struggles, some of which resulted in revolutions, others that forced serious concessions from the ruling class.

I am not at all saying that voting is sufficient. The system needs to be overturned and voting won't do that. But the bourgeoisie needs to be contested on every terrain, including in electoral politics.

In the end, the power of the working class is felt at the workplace (the point of production) and in the streets.

The working class never sparks revolution.
The working class is a major cog in the system. Being apart of the system the worker has a fear of overturning it.

All working class ever does is attempt to negotiate. Voting, Unions, Protests, Pickets, Strikes... these are the tools of the working class.
The ruling class is aware of all of these outlets because they have been provided by the ruling class to the working class to confuse them into believing they have a say.

So sometimes the ruling class will make what appears to be concessions, yes, but that is far from revolution.
The working class has never implemented revolution. They are there to work. And thats what they do. They are afraid to be out of work and fall below thier station to working-poor or impoverished.

The kick is that these concessions are not even concessions from the stance of the ruling.
For example, companies where CEOs are making multi-millions annually, have 'caved' to pay its workers $12 instead of $10.50
And the working class is like we won!

 

[Red Shield]

The working class cannot and does not push through reform. It never has. All reform is implemented by the controlling interests (the ruling class; judges, bankers, politicians, the rich).

All the working class does is work.
Its right there on the tin.

Historically they have never done what you are talking about, or come close, or even tried.

The majority do not even understand the issues.
Do to a tactic called Decimination of Power, the working class is helpless, legally.
A corporation, a politician, a judge, a Koch Brother... they all have a vote and a say in the process.
Do to the working class delegating their inherent vote to an elected official (a mayor, a governer, etc) a mass of hundreds of thousands of people legally has its power deceminated down to 1 vote (the mayor, governer, etc) against the 1 vote of the business or the 1 vote of the rich person.

So instead of the mass of 100,000 simply storming the building of the corporation that is fraking the land polluting their water supply, now it becomes an civil arguement between the corporation and the one person the 100,000 people have appointed to argue on their behalf.

Quite Ridiculous at its core.
This is why people that advocate for voting to fix problems are no threat to the ruling class. Voting is the worst thing a mass can do. It ensures they do not take direct action because they are pacified into believing somebody somewhere else is doing something.

If you have a problem with the laws or ruling class the first thing the ruling class tells you is "Well, go vote."
Your interests are opposite theirs, why would you listen to their advice?

It takes 10 minutes of reading and research to understand that the only thing that has ever worked is direct action.
Most notably, Propaganda of the deed.
Propaganda of the deed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

9/11?
Security reform.

Cops die?
They put the breaks on stop and frisk.

Occupy Wallstreet?
Nobody gives a fukk. The money men pay the cops to move it down the street and they go about their business, ignoring the stupid protests.

There has never been a revolution without direct action.
These are the facts.

Had to rep you for this post.

But yeah... and over the past few years I think more people have awoken to these facts. One of the reasons as to why that whole Dark Enlightenment movement started...

 

[JahFocus CS]

The working class never sparks revolution.
The working class is a major cog in the system. Being apart of the system the worker has a fear of overturning it.

All working class ever does is attempt to negotiate. Voting, Unions, Protests, Pickets, Strikes... these are the tools of the working class.
The ruling class is aware of all of these outlets because they have been provided by the ruling class to the working class to confuse them into believing they have a say.

So sometimes the ruling class will make what appears to be concessions, yes, but that is far from revolution.
The working class has never implemented revolution. They are there to work. And thats what they do. They are afraid to be out of work and fall below thier station to working-poor or impoverished.

The kick is that these concessions are not even concessions from the stance of the ruling.
For example, companies where CEOs are making multi-millions annually, have 'caved' to pay its workers $12 instead of $10.50
And the working class is like we won!

I completely disagree with that. On the contrary, there is no such thing as a "revolution" under capitalism unless it is a fight by the working class for its emancipation.

The working class is not a "major cog in the system" any more than enslaved people were under slavery. When there is oppression, sure, you could say that by functioning in the society and buying into the ideas of the ruling class, the oppressed consent to their oppression. But the very dynamics of the system push people to resist it in all kinds of ways.

You talk about "direct action." What is your definition of that? Because strikes are absolutely direct action -- the withholding of labor at the point of production halts capitalist production and brings things to a standstill. Strikes are perhaps the most powerful form of direct action. That doesn't necessarily mean they are always directed towards revolutionary instead of reformist ends though.

I think you misunderstand the working class as a concept. The "working poor" and "impoverished" are also working class; if you do not own the means of production, you are probably working class in today's world (yes, there are still serfs, enslaved people, and other such classes around the world, but the bulk of humanity in 2015 in working class). And while it is useful sometimes to conceptually think about the working class as those people whose livelihoods depend on a wage or a salary, it is important to understand that the genesis of the working class began with dispossession.

Sure, class consciousness isn't where it should be, especially in the United States. And the class needs to develop clarity that to solve its problems, the system must go -- reforms are not enough, especially not some bullshyt minimal increases in the minimum wage.

Revolutionary agitation is necessary, and a revolutionary platform must be pushed. But make no mistake, under capitalism, there is no other class that can carry out a revolution. It won't be the bourgeoisie and it won't be the petit bourgeoisie either.

 

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Cacs cacing as usual

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These are your white friends brehs

 

[notPsychosiz]

I completely disagree with that. On the contrary, there is no such thing as a "revolution" under capitalism unless it is a fight by the working class for its emancipation.

The working class is not a "major cog in the system" any more than enslaved people were under slavery. When there is oppression, sure, you could say that by functioning in the society and buying into the ideas of the ruling class, the oppressed consent to their oppression. But the very dynamics of the system push people to resist it in all kinds of ways.

You talk about "direct action." What is your definition of that? Because strikes are absolutely direct action -- the withholding of labor at the point of production halts capitalist production and brings things to a standstill. Strikes are perhaps the most powerful form of direct action. That doesn't necessarily mean they are always directed towards revolutionary instead of reformist ends though.

I think you misunderstand the working class as a concept. The "working poor" and "impoverished" are also working class; if you do not own the means of production, you are probably working class in today's world (yes, there are still serfs, enslaved people, and other such classes around the world, but the bulk of humanity in 2015 in working class). And while it is useful sometimes to conceptually think about the working class as those people whose livelihoods depend on a wage or a salary, it is important to understand that the genesis of the working class began with dispossession.

Sure, class consciousness isn't where it should be, especially in the United States. And the class needs to develop clarity that to solve its problems, the system must go -- reforms are not enough, especially not some bullshyt minimal increases in the minimum wage.

Revolutionary agitation is necessary, and a revolutionary platform must be pushed. But make no mistake, under capitalism, there is no other class that can carry out a revolution. It won't be the bourgeoisie and it won't be the petit bourgeoisie either.

Here is where you are going astray.

Most slaves do not want to be enslaved.
Most employed persons want to be employed.
(please no slaves liked being slaves arguements... cant deal with it today)

You have unemployed people right now scrambling to find work.
Free blacks were not jumping over each other to be slaves.

So the working class is a willful participant in the system, and because they want to remain working class because they believe it will somehow propell them to ruling class (it won't) they want the system in place, under the false ideology that one day they will be at the top.

Working class people are indeed a cog in the system, which is why they believe they can use it (voting, protests etc).
Whereas slaves knew better. Even stupid ones. They didn't try and argue points, they waited for opprotunity and seized keys/guns or gave in to live out their lives in perpetual servitude.

Although it is simpler to consider working poor and impoverished as working class, they are different things.
When a person looks at hip hop, r&b, and spoken word and calls it all rap it is because they are an outsider looking in.
I tend to differentiate for better clarity, but its not pertinent to my particular point. That being, trying to use the system to change the system is not a new concept. It is the prefered course of action approved by the system itself.

They love when ppl argue that we should hold rallies and file papers instead of simply kicking down their doors because we outnumber them.
So, even though there may be examples of abnormalities where this has reaped benifet... I am just trying to ensure everyone understands the dangers of jumping to that as the go to whenever something happens.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Here is where you are going astray.

Most slaves do not want to be enslaved.
Most employed persons want to be employed.
(please no slaves liked being slaves arguements... cant deal with it today)

You have unemployed people right now scrambling to find work.
Free blacks were not jumping over each other to be slaves.

So the working class is a willful participant in the system, and because they want to remain working class because they believe it will somehow propell them to ruling class (it won't) they want the system in place, under the false ideology that one day they will be at the top.

Working class people are indeed a cog in the system, which is why they believe they can use it (voting, protests etc).
Whereas slaves knew better. Even stupid ones. They didn't try and argue points, they waited for opprotunity and seized keys/guns or gave in to live out their lives in perpetual servitude.

Although it is simpler to consider working poor and impoverished as working class, they are different things.
When a person looks at hip hop, r&b, and spoken word and calls it all rap it is because they are an outsider looking in.
I tend to differentiate for better clarity, but its not pertinent to my particular point. That being, trying to use the system to change the system is not a new concept. It is the prefered course of action approved by the system itself.

They love when ppl argue that we should hold rallies and file papers instead of simply kicking down their doors because we outnumber them.
So, even though there may be examples of abnormalities where this has reaped benifet... I am just trying to ensure everyone understands the dangers of jumping to that as the go to whenever something happens.

People want to be employed because the alternative is living on the streets. So people have to go out and rent themselves and become a wage slave to survive. Sure, you can start a business (and I would encourage everyone to try entrepreneurship at least once in their life), but then competition forces you to grow or die, and eventually you move on to hiring and exploiting the labor of others.

All the wealth of society is created by the working class.

There is no other class whose interest lies in overthrowing capitalism that is also capable of doing so.

I think these two articles will clarify some things and add to the discussion.

Class: an introduction
The Working Class and Social Change - Martin Glaberman

 

[Westcoastnative]

So proud of my home state.

 

[notPsychosiz]

People want to be employed because the alternative is living on the streets. So people have to go out and rent themselves and become a wage slave to survive. Sure, you can start a business (and I would encourage everyone to try entrepreneurship at least once in their life), but then competition forces you to grow or die, and eventually you move on to hiring and exploiting the labor of others.

All the wealth of society is created by the working class.

There is no other class whose interest lies in overthrowing capitalism that is also capable of doing so.

I think these two articles will clarify some things and add to the discussion.

Class: an introduction
The Working Class and Social Change - Martin Glaberman

Not sure why you keep talking about capitalism.
Capitalism is not a group or organization or class, or anything tangable. It is an idea.
Thats like saying lets overthrow communism or socialism or buddhism or athiesm. These are just ideologies.

But the working class do have the means, numbers and oppritunity to murder the rich, absolutely.
In fact, the richer you are, the more poor people that have access to you by scale. From maids and nannies to repair men to installers, to apraisers, to sales people... therapists, tutors, your massuese, chaufer, the list goes on.

Fear, complacency, and worry of reprisal prevent revolution and mass restructuring.
It is not at all do to inability.

 

[Westcoastnative]

If ever in doubt of the true opinions of many white ppl in America just check the comment section of any article, video of a negative or positive story about black ppl for confirmation that the hate is alive and well.

White people are obsessed with us, we stay on their minds 24/7. What other group has racist websites strictly dedicated to them made by whites like we do with chimpout, ******mania, etc?

And with those anti-black sites, don't think it's only white people posting. There are just as many racist Hispanics, Asians, Indians, Arabs etc. posting on there and contributing, and keeping those sites stay afloat.

 

[KOohbt]

the cops still won't be punished though