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:russ:How is Curry better than Rondo?

I like Steph Curry a lot and I think he has a great career ahead of him. But saying he's better than Rondo is a force.
Because he's 1000000x better than Rondo. You shouldn't even mention Rondo's name with Curry.

Curry's 2013/14 season: 47% shooting, 42% 3-pt shooting, 88% ft shooting, 8.5 assists and 24.0 ppg. When has Rondo ever had a season that even comes close to that?
 
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You lack reading comprehension.

Show me where I said or even alluded to that Rondo pounded the ball until there was 1 sec left on the shot clock?

My claim is up to date, because FOUR games doesn't disprove countless seasons of him dominating the ball.

I think you're the one that might need some pictures.

Taking two days to reply to my ether on you and you still not making sense.:bryan:


You clearly have no understanding of the game of basketball.

That's why you the only one left still hating. Let it go....move on.
 
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Taking two days to reply to my ether on you and you still not making sense.:bryan:


You clearly have no understanding of the game of basketball.

That's why you the only one left still hating. Let it go....move on.
Yet straight after this, you go and quote an anti-Rondo post from page one :skip:
 

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And that's fine, but then you don't relegate those players to being scrubs, when they're out there putting points on the board. His role is to put his team in the best position to win, that means balancing out when to shoot/pass - something that he's incapable of.


No. This is the balance... for his skillset. And he is playing with scrubs. Just because SOMEBODY has to shoot the ball 20 times, doesn't mean that guy is good.

Rondo's impact is - unfortunately - accentuated by good teammates, and tamped by bad teammates. But you could say that for just about anyone. He had a triple double last night, looked great.

But the fact that another player scores more than he does, doesn't change that player's talent level. You're reaching.

If you think he's overrated, fine. But don't start moving goalposts and talking about how his teammates aren't bad. They are. That is a known fact.
 
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No. This is the balance... for his skillset. And he is playing with scrubs. Just because SOMEBODY has to shoot the ball 20 times, doesn't mean that guy is good..
Fair enough..... so that means he isn't in the conversation with players like Curry, Westbrook, Paul etc etc?

Green's averaging 22 points on 46% shooting
Sullinger's averaging 15 points on 46% shooting
Bradley's averaging 17 points on 47% shooting

So you're saying they're scrubs, which means all their numbers should come tumbling down over the season, forcing Rondo then to look to score more right?

I want to be clear on this.

Rondo's impact is - unfortunately - accentuated by good teammates, and tamped by bad teammates. But you could say that for just about anyone. He had a triple double last night, looked great..
And there are players in the league that can have leading roles in playmaking/scoring, yet Rondo isn't one of them

But the fact that another player scores more than he does, doesn't change that player's talent level. You're reaching.
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Of course it does. The fact that Westbrook can score 20+ ppg is indicative that he has more talent. Don't you think if Rondo had his athleticism and jumper that he'd average more points?

If you think he's overrated, fine. But don't start moving goalposts and talking about how his teammates aren't bad. They are. That is a known fact.

You say they're bad - a known fact might I add - yet they're all averaging more points and on better percentages too. So you're stance is conflicting, either they're not as bad as you say they are or Rondo simply isn't capable of balancing when to score/pass any where near close to the elite PGs in the game, to put his team in the best position to win.
 

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Fair enough..... so that means he isn't in the conversation with players like Curry, Westbrook, Paul etc etc?

I don't necessarily put him on the Level of Curry or Westbrook. I'm not as high on Chris Paul... I would be willing to hear an argument there.


Green's averaging 22 points on 46% shooting
Sullinger's averaging 15 points on 46% shooting
Bradley's averaging 17 points on 47% shooting

So you're saying they're scrubs, which means all their numbers should come tumbling down over the season, forcing Rondo then to look to score more right?

Well, that's not exactly how math works.

For example, I expect Jeff Green to have a career high year in scoring. His usage rate is higher than ever. He's going to get more shots. So, I wouldn't expect his to "come tumbling down" for example... but I would expect, given the rise in usage, that his FG% will probably settle. His touches last year resulted in more shots than ever before, and he shot 41% from the floor.

Likewise, Sullinger is projected to have career highs in minutes and usage rate, he's being asked to score more, shoot more, especially from the outside. So I expect his counting totals to increase, especially with a good point guard finding him open shots. Rondo is currently averaging 13 assists per game. That is a lot of clean looks for players.

Bradley is another player whose counting stats may see an increase - he's shooting more 3's than ever (by a large margin, though small sample size) and with Marcus Smart on the team, eh may not be tasked with defending the other team's best guard. He's actually turned himself into a capable outside shooter, to go along with a good defender.

So statistics adjusting are dependent on a few things. I don't expect somebody's stats to crash simply because they shouldn't be taking so many shots... but I do expect some of the %'s to fall. After all, points are going to get scored, and shots have to get taken. Which is why, say... MCW can put up a good year from a counting stats position, and get ROY (in a weak year, obviously) and yet... not be a great player.


As far as the underlined -- I'm not sure how to respond to that, because the question shows an ignorance of not just history and trends, but the player himself. No matter the strength of his team, rondo's FGAs per game have always hovered around 10. It's his style of play. I expect him to keep playing the way he has always played, just as - for example - with the Clippers struggling, I don't expect Chris Paul to dribble less. Or Kobe to suddenly play a point guard role, and winnow his shot total to 12 per game.




And there are players in the league that can have leading roles in playmaking/scoring, yet Rondo isn't one of them

Well, I don't think he can take a leading role in scoring. But he can certainly take one in playmaking and creating for others.


Of course it does. The fact that Westbrook can score 20+ ppg is indicative that he has more talent.

Well, Westbrook has more talent, because he has more talent. He's a better player, because he's a much more gifted scorer, which makes up for the fact that he's a worse passer.

But Al Harrington could average 18/19/20ppg - and did it a few times... does that make him better than say, Serge Ibaka, who's averaged 14 a game for his career? Does it mean he is on par with Anthony Davis, who averaged 20ppg last season? Or Kawhi who only averaged 13 per game last season?

Opportunity needs to be taken into consideration when you're discussing counting stats.



You say they're bad - a known fact might I add - yet they're all averaging more points and on better percentages too.

Yes. More points. Fewer Assists.

So you're stance is conflicting,

No, it isn't.

either they're not as bad as you say they are

I would say the roster as a whole, is garbage. But the three players you highlighted are the three other best players on the team... olynyk is a solid rotational player, smart will be very good.

Individually, many of these players might be useful. I'd like many of them on the Knicks, for example. Individually.

But the roster, it stinks, yes. They are 1-3. It is highly unlikely this roster has any shot at the playoffs. It is also unlikely that any of these other players will have a shot at say... the all star game. The Lakers are a bunch of scrubs too. That doesn't mean I think Julius Randle sucks. Detroit sucks, its roster is garbage... but Drummond is a beast. See how that works?



or Rondo simply isn't capable of balancing when to score/pass any where near close to the elite PGs in the game, to put his team in the best position to win.

Well, you keep using "balance" as if anybody is arguing that Rondo has the ability to be an elite scorer. As far as I have seen... nobody thinks that. it is a fake argument you have constructed in order to bolster your point. From the very beginning I've said that he's not a scorer, it is not in his skillset. Just like, Dwight Howard isn't going to shoot 3's because Houston really needs outside shooting, nor will James Harden defend. Kyrie Irving won't become a lockdown defender, because his team really needs perimeter defense. These things are NOT a part of these players' skillsets.

Again. I don't consider Rondo on par with Westbrook or Curry. I wasn't aware that THAT was the argument you were trying to construct for me. But not every point guard is expected, or even supposed to score 20+ point per game.

John Stockton and Jason Kidd were elite point guards, they didn't score 20 a game. You know?

Brandon Jennings has a 20ppg season under his belt. :scust:



I don't understand how we necessarily got directly into conflict. But if you are going to come at me with stats and math.... know how to use them.


And fukk Rajon Rondo... I don't even root for that dude. :birdman:
 
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