Bud would beat Spence Imo

[desjardins]

He wants to be the only promoter in the fight so he can keep the pot to himself.

the irony when pbc welters been round robin they ass off with Haymon keeping a % of both purses
Keep that same "go sign with the other side" energy when promoters ice out pbc fighters in divisions they dominate (ie: Tank)

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

the irony when pbc welters been round robin they ass off with Haymon keeping a % of both purses
Keep that same "go sign with the other side" energy when promoters ice out pbc fighters in divisions they dominate (ie: Tank)

We are keeping that same energy bruh, Bob has been freezing out fighters from other promotions for YEARS. Hell he just did it to Devin Haney last year bro, and doing it to Tank right now. Nobody feels bad for Crawford in this situation because we know if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Crawford and the rest of the PBC welters were at Top Rank, and Spence was on the other side calling for fights Bob would have every excuse in the world to not make a fight with him. He only trying to make a fight with Spence now because he is losing money and the only way he can make big money off Crawford is through the PBC welters. When are y'all gonna realize our smoke is with Bob Arum, not Crawford?

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

We are keeping that same energy bruh, Bob has been freezing out fighters from other promotions for YEARS. Hell he just did it to Devin Haney last year bro, and doing it to Tank right now. Nobody feels bad for Crawford in this situation because we know if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Crawford and the rest of the PBC welters were at Top Rank, and Spence was on the other side calling for fights Bob would have every excuse in the world to not make a fight with him. He only trying to make a fight with Spence now because he is losing money and the only way he can make big money off Crawford is through the PBC welters. When are y'all gonna realize our smoke is with Bob Arum, not Crawford?

Bob just made fury vs wilder and is about to make fury vs Joshua. 2 fights that are arguably bigger money fights than Spence vs Crawford. So it doesn't seem like he's freezing anybody out at the moment. Really all this comes down to is promoters being promoters and protecting their assets. Like they always have.

But regardless. For PBC to not even acknowledge bud on their broadcasts is flat out corny. That doesn't make them look like an established organization. It just makes them look weak as hell and basically reaffirms the belief they want no issues with Crawford. There's only one logical reason for them to not acknowledge bud on their programs. And that's to supress interest in a bud-spence fight. That's it. No other reason makes sense. But the shyt is retarded. As if boxing fans are just gonna forget Terrence Crawford exists if they refuse to mention his name ....it's just a pathetic way for a network to behave. At least make it SEEM like you're not blatantly ducking this dude. But the way they're going about is only encouraging the backlash and putting Spence under even more scrutiny.

But like I said. This is all about promoters protecting their assets. Nothing more. Bob protects his money makers from serious threats. And pbc is doing the same by protecting their welterweights from bud. Haymon isn't stupid. He knows boxing. And he knows bud washes all of his guys. He knows Spence would be the clear underdog vs Crawford. So why would he risk that when Spence is making him good money right now?....it just doesn't make sense from a business perspective. He's gonna milk Spence for a couple more big paydays before he sends him into that fight. Spence isn't afraid of bud. But it's clear as day that PBC want no parts of that matchup right now. It is what it is

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

@((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL

Bruh Wilder vs Fury 2 was gonna happen with or without Bob Arum, they agreed to a rematch before Fury ever signed to Top Rank, Bob Arum os the reason the second fight took so fukking long to happen bro he stalled it out an extra 12 months.

If Spence is the clear underdog to Crawford why does Vegas have Spence ad the favorite. Those guys aren't fanboys they make the betting lines for a reason to make money bruh. Believe me I wanf to see this fight more than anybody so Crawford can finally get his ass whoopin he been begging for, but if you don't understand PBC doesn't want to promote another promotions fighter for a reason that's on you.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

@((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL

Bruh Wilder vs Fury 2 was gonna happen with or without Bob Arum, they agreed to a rematch before Fury ever signed to Top Rank, Bob Arum os the reason the second fight took so fukking long to happen bro he stalled it out an extra 12 months.

If Spence is the clear underdog to Crawford why does Vegas have Spence ad the favorite. Those guys aren't fanboys they make the betting lines for a reason to make money bruh. Believe me I wanf to see this fight more than anybody so Crawford can finally get his ass whoopin he been begging for, but if you don't understand PBC doesn't want to promote another promotions fighter for a reason that's on you.

It's not even about promoting a rivals fighter. It's about how they're intentionally trying to supress interest in the greatest matchup that can be made in the sport. Spence vs bud is a mega fight that'll generate a crazy amount of revenue. If they were that confident in Spence beating bud they would be making that fight right now. You're not turning down that type of money if you know your fighter is gonna win. PBC just doesn't view the risk worth the reward right now. They prolly wanna see if they can land that Pacquiao fight first. I could even see them more willing to put Spence vs canelo. Even though Spence would be a massive underdog that fight would still generate more revenue than all of Spence's other fights combined. All this bullshyt is just more boxing politics.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

It's not even about promoting a rivals fighter. It's about how they're intentionally trying to supress interest in the greatest matchup that can be made in the sport. Spence vs bud is a mega fight that'll generate a crazy amount of revenue. If they were that confident in Spence beating bud they would be making that fight right now. You're not turning down that type of money if you know your fighter is gonna win. PBC just doesn't view the risk worth the reward right now. They prolly wanna see if they can land that Pacquiao fight first. I could even see them more willing to put Spence vs canelo. Even though Spence would be a massive underdog that fight would still generate more revenue than all of Spence's other fights combined. All this bullshyt is just more boxing politics.

People need to stop overhyping how big of a fight Spence vs Crawford is, Spence vs Pacquiao would generate more money than Spence vs Crawford which is why now Manny seems to finally be on board the fight is gonna happen. Spence and Crawford is only a megafight to hardore boxing fans, casuals barely know who Spence is, they damn sure don't know who Crawford is like that. If the fight happens next it probably would do 400-500k PPV buys, very respectable but far from a mega fight bro. Bob Arum said years ago he was only going to make the fight once it became a huge event and all this talk recently shows me that it still isn't big enough yet for Bob to cash out Crawford.

 

[R=G]

It's not even about promoting a rivals fighter. It's about how they're intentionally trying to supress interest in the greatest matchup that can be made in the sport. Spence vs bud is a mega fight that'll generate a crazy amount of revenue. If they were that confident in Spence beating bud they would be making that fight right now. You're not turning down that type of money if you know your fighter is gonna win. PBC just doesn't view the risk worth the reward right now. They prolly wanna see if they can land that Pacquiao fight first. I could even see them more willing to put Spence vs canelo. Even though Spence would be a massive underdog that fight would still generate more revenue than all of Spence's other fights combined. All this bullshyt is just more boxing politics.

What type of money? You know something we don't know? Nobody knows Crawford compared to Spence..this some kind of joke. The Latino fans want to see get knocked out by Canelo..they'll pay huge for that...and Spence knows it. Crawford needs this to stay relevant..not Spence. He just wants to be undisputed..which is why he called out Manny last March face to face..but of course he ran to return from injury Thurman. Lol. Been hiding with the WBA title ever since.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

People need to stop overhyping how big of a fight Spence vs Crawford is, Spence vs Pacquiao would generate more money than Spence vs Crawford which is why now Manny seems to finally be on board the fight is gonna happen. Spence and Crawford is only a megafight to hardore boxing fans, casuals barely know who Spence is, they damn sure don't know who Crawford is like that. If the fight happens next it probably would do 400-500k PPV buys, very respectable but far from a mega fight bro. Bob Arum said years ago he was only going to make the fight once it became a huge event and all this talk recently shows me that it still isn't big enough yet for Bob to cash out Crawford.

Well that's why I said pbc doesn't yet see it as worth the reward right now. They'd much rather land that Pacquiao or canelo fight. But I could see spence vs Crawford doing 600-700k if promoted right. This is a fight that will be huge on word of mouth. The two biggest sports networks in the world co promoting it. Athletes and celebs will be talking about it. Every news Network. Podcasts. Even MMA fans will be tuning in. Joe rogan been hyping this fight for years. It's not just about their respective ppv draws. It's about the matchup. Hardcore fight fans are gonna show out strong for this one. And when that happens usually the casuals follow suit. Tyson fury and Wilder were not big at all before their first fight. Their numbers were always trash. Even now they're not huge ppv attractions on their own. Wilder only did 200k for that Ortiz rematch. But together they did 350k and 800k.


I think it'll break 500k easy

 

[Champ_KW]

Bob just made fury vs wilder and is about to make fury vs Joshua. 2 fights that are arguably bigger money fights than Spence vs Crawford. So it doesn't seem like he's freezing anybody out at the moment. Really all this comes down to is promoters being promoters and protecting their assets. Like they always have.

But regardless. For PBC to not even acknowledge bud on their broadcasts is flat out corny. That doesn't make them look like an established organization. It just makes them look weak as hell and basically reaffirms the belief they want no issues with Crawford. There's only one logical reason for them to not acknowledge bud on their programs. And that's to supress interest in a bud-spence fight. That's it. No other reason makes sense. But the shyt is retarded. As if boxing fans are just gonna forget Terrence Crawford exists if they refuse to mention his name ....it's just a pathetic way for a network to behave. At least make it SEEM like you're not blatantly ducking this dude. But the way they're going about is only encouraging the backlash and putting Spence under even more scrutiny.

But like I said. This is all about promoters protecting their assets. Nothing more. Bob protects his money makers from serious threats. And pbc is doing the same by protecting their welterweights from bud. Haymon isn't stupid. He knows boxing. And he knows bud washes all of his guys. He knows Spence would be the clear underdog vs Crawford. So why would he risk that when Spence is making him good money right now?....it just doesn't make sense from a business perspective. He's gonna milk Spence for a couple more big paydays before he sends him into that fight. Spence isn't afraid of bud. But it's clear as day that PBC want no parts of that matchup right now. It is what it is

Showed Bud multiple times in the crowd and Porter kept Bud name in his mouth during the broadcast.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Cool least yall starting to be honest about what's going on. keep it in house like they been doing, just stfu about Bud not fighting anyone then.
A side Spence showing no interest + PBC ignoring WBO mandatory opportunity == not Bud fault.

when arum is low balling pbc boxers..then fix his lips to say if they want more money they do the purse

if u got the best p4p ..u bet the house on em..

 

[desjardins]

People need to stop overhyping how big of a fight Spence vs Crawford is, If the fight happens next it probably would do 400-500k PPV buys, .

agree with this but yall partly responsible for that by hyping Spence up as some kind of megastar.
his numbers been steadily declining since the Mikey Garcia peak and they weren't that high to begin with if we being honest, they just better than TBC. 400-500k is realistic to me if they really hype it up well

when arum is low balling pbc boxers..then fix his lips to say if they want more money they do the purse
.

yall claim pbc fighters eat off promoting themselves and backend money. take it to purse bid then , Porter would get a lower split but like Spence said he don't do numbers anyway. he can make up the split difference with the illustrious PBC back end money. If Spence is the opponent then he the A side and need to come with a deal that ain't low ball for Bud

 

[patscorpio]

honestly all this shyt about who is the draw..who is the a side to this, b side to that....its all bullshyt..why because the biggest PPV buyrate for boxing this year came from 2 faded ATGs in their 50s and on top of that they put one of the better boxing cards this year. Most likely there will be more of those down the line starting with floyd and logan paul and its highkey pathetic for the current active fighters that this is happening..pacquiao i wont include in that because dude has put up his numbers...but these other cats haven't..they need to get this shyt together and make the fight..pure and simple

 

[Knicksman20]

I may be outta the loop but you telling me Bud is scared of Thurman? if you know anything about Arum, you know he is stubborn and he only working with people who he likes to work with that are easy to deal with. any more drama than that you can forget it.

You’re probably the most reasonable pro Bud guy bro lol. If you haven’t seen this give it a look. I think you’ll objectively see why the fight didn’t happen

 

[Mook]

honestly all this shyt about who is the draw..who is the a side to this, b side to that....its all bullshyt..why because the biggest PPV buyrate for boxing this year came from 2 faded ATGs in their 50s and on top of that they put one of the better boxing cards this year. Most likely there will be more of those down the line starting with floyd and logan paul and its highkey pathetic for the current active fighters that this is happening..pacquiao i wont include in that because dude has put up his numbers...but these other cats haven't..they need to get this shyt together and make the fight..pure and simple

Yeah buds the A side with his 150k amir khan buy rate and him beating ATG jeff horn on his resume.