Brutal Reality : When police wear body cameras, citizens are much safer.

[thekingsmen]

The cameras aren't just for pretending to keep Police accountable but it's for surveillance of the citizens. Another spying mechanism covered up in a nice white lie.

 

[dark_magic]

Story is not true. Police can shut the cameras off and manipulate them. This is a soggy, non-sticky Band-Aid that will not decrease the violence against African Americans. You want to stop police brutality? Stop empowering the police to act in any way they want in a country where they are supposed to be servants of the people instead of protectors of private property from the underclasses. Restructure the foundation and you can stop cracks from happening. The American police system has a crack so large that it cannot be fixed with cameras, videos, or anything without changing the entire system so it doesn't internalize racist and exploitative polices and practices against the majority of people. If you aren't talking these drastic measures, you're wasting time, and more peoples' lives.

Article is pure fiction and the numbers will show it.

Study law
Know your government, its structure, offices, processes, and procedures.
Practice rules of engagement with law enforcement.

Dealing with police is law business.

 

[dark_magic]

furthermore, the use of cameras will eventually negate reasonable doubt or due process when juries take what they are presented as visual of what happened when in reality they're getting post manipulation of a video that shows one angle and one direction of a situation. It can easily taint the story of what actually happened.


Police forces are trained as local millitaries rather than serving and protecting the populous. Whats worse is they are being trained to be scared for their lives rather than to be prepared for situations.

This is a change that happened over the last 25 years. Cops didn't used to be like this; I know because there are many in my family.

Law enforcement is a variant of a private, standing army.

The Anti-Federalists warned about this over 200 years ago.

 

[lightbearerchef]

I like how this got 137 views compared 2 drake madonna thread
U nikkas scared of reality or sumn?

 

[Archimedes]

How is that brutal reality? Everyone acts different when they know cameras on them. Brutal reality would be them doing the same shyt even if they knew they had cameras recording everything.

anyways, as long as the police department controls footage, it doesn't matter if they got cameras on them or not.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

he said, especially to some older officers who initially were “questioning why ‘big brother’ should see everything they do.”

The answer to that, dikkhead, is because you are an employee of the public. We should have been seeing everything you do for a long time already.

 

[tmonster]

furthermore, the use of cameras will eventually negate reasonable doubt or due process when juries take what they are presented as visual of what happened when in reality they're getting post manipulation of a video that shows one angle and one direction of a situation. It can easily taint the story of what actually happened.


Police forces are trained as local millitaries rather than serving and protecting the populous. Whats worse is they are being trained to be scared for their lives rather than to be prepared for situations.

This is a change that happened over the last 25 years. Cops didn't used to be like this; I know because there are many in my family.

wait wait wait
so they can manipulate video or just flat out lie because there is no video, you prefer the latter?
c'mon son

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

wait wait wait
so they can manipulate video or just flat out lie because there is no video, you prefer the latter?
c'mon son

i'm not your son.

The problem i'm outlining is that video presented at court can over-influence a jury. Example:

lets say a jury is presented with video of a fight between two persons AS an officer approaches a scene. During that fight an officer is pushed, pulls his pistol, and fires on one of the persons as they continue to tussle. That person dies.

There is no context as to what happened before the fight. there is no sense of who is defending themselves or whether or not the deceased "felt threatened" etc;. The result is the jury sees a situation that "looks scary" and decides that beyond a reasonable doubt, the officer's life was threatened.

A first hand video of a black male approaching an officer can sway a jury beyond what a description of a situation could. Also, we don't know what happened before or after the video was recorded or as I said, possibly altered.


all i'm saying, is that "give them all cameras" doesn't solve a problem, at all.

 

[tmonster]

i'm not your son.

The problem i'm outlining is that video presented at court can over-influence a jury. Example:

and lies from the police is doing what to the juries currently?
sorry son your boogeyman is not as scary as what we are dealing with right now

 

[Suicide King]

Again, you're talking about a sloppy Band-Aid; How do body cameras change how police, as a whole, are taught to feel, think, and act against black and brown people? Its not a few cops killing black and brown people; its the foundation of police enacting repressive measures against the whole black and brown population of this country for the purposes of sustaining a neoliberal global capital state. Thus, the technology can be manipulated to fit the needs of systemic racism.

My point in one sentence: body cameras or any type of technology cannot solve SYSTEMIC, INSTITUTIONALIZED, CONSTITUTIVE RACIST IDEOLOGY, POLICES AND PRACTICES. The problem is in the roots, not in the leaves. Put body cameras on cops, two things will happen: we will have more videos of people being executed or we will have less videos because the cameras will be cut off, but people will still be executed by police.

What you're not understanding is that the increase in police murders against blacks is the police responding to our calls for democracy and justice. our rallies, protests, and demands for them to be servants to us is resulting in police feeling they need to empower themselves, thus they kill more of us. This is a historical trend and happens every time an economic lull happens or democratic social movements become large. Neoliberalism can only be enforced through increased police repression.

Like I said, body cameras won't stop police murders. People are afraid to address the problem in the roots, so they stick with the leaves, which are easier to reach. Sad because more lives are stake now.

True, unarmed black men will still be killed more than armed white men. Nothing will change that truth. And killings might go up, because if you do everything to warrant deadly force, you not getting a pass. Too many soulless people on the police force.

 

[tmonster]

all i'm saying, is that "give them all cameras" doesn't solve a problem, at all.

completely ignore year long research and take a guess brehs

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

and lies from the police is doing what to the juries currently?
sorry son your boogeyman is not as scary as what we are dealing with right now

completely ignore year long research and take a guess brehs

i'm not sure why you're shooting down my logical, cautious concern. I'm not saying "cameras are bad don't do it" nor am I saying "every officer SHOULD have a camera" i'm saying the pitfalls in believing that this will solve problems. we're talking about life and death and justice here. if you think having a camera will solve it, you're being very narrow minded.

feel free to reply with 1 sentence and a smiley face though.

 

[tmonster]

i'm not sure why you're shooting down my logical, cautious concern. I'm not saying "cameras are bad don't do it" nor am I saying "every officer SHOULD have a camera" i'm saying the pitfalls in believing that this will solve problems. we're talking about life and death and justice here. if you think having a camera will solve it, you're being very narrow minded.

feel free to reply with 1 sentence and a smiley face though.

seems like it's solving someone's problems

The central study on the effectiveness of body cameras comes from an experiment in Rialto, California. The results were dramatic: After the wholesale adoption of body cameras, complaints against officers dropped 88 percent and use-of-force reports fell by 60 percent. In a randomly assigned pilot project in Mesa, Arizona, 75 percent fewer use-of-force complaints were filed against officers who wore the cameras than against those who did not.

 

[Floyd Pinkerton]

Study law
Know your government, its structure, offices, processes, and procedures.
Practice rules of engagement with law enforcement.

Dealing with police is law business.

Care to elaborate?

 

[dark_magic]

Care to elaborate?

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney nor am I claiming to be one. This is simply my personal opinions and experiences on subjects pertaining to law therein. Consult professional counsel with respect to your personal legal matters or situations.

1. The study of law personally will boost your education in language, foreign language, etymology, logic, critical analysis, philosophy, and history. The theory and philosophy of law is titled jurisprudence. A good intro to studying law is elementary law as well as the law of contracts. This should allow one to begin development of a personal taxonomy with respect to law in general. Other great areas of study are law of trusts, commercial law, English Common Law, Roman Civil Law, American jurisprudence, law of bailment, constitutional law, statutory construction and interpretation, and so many, many more.

Don't start by studying statutory law. Save that and court cases for way later.

2. Learn and know the different types of government, the charters establishing such political (public) corporations i.e. constitutions, the role and duties of its offices in addition to the processes of these political corporations such as due process with regard to criminal charges. Procedures would entail criminal and civil procedures of court in addition to administrative procedures. There are also different types of court such as courts at law, courts in equity, courts in admiralty/maritime, administrative courts, military courts, etc.

3. Practice rules of engagement with law enforcement. You are dealing with an armed adversary. Follow very specific rules and protocols. Right to silence as well as declining to answer any questions posed by law enforcement are wise strategies.

The officer is conducting an administrative investigation. From there, it proceeds to either an administrative court or judicial court.

Traffic code violations proceed to an administrative court.
Criminal charges proceed to a judicial court.

Rights entail three elements for the individual:

1) Knowledge (or awareness) of such rights.
2) Exercising (which can simply be by declaration of) said rights.
3) Defending said rights.

If you can't do all three, you have none.