we are peaceful.. dont start none wont be none
uve obviously never lived around muslims
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we are peaceful.. dont start none wont be none
uve obviously never lived around muslims
new york/philly/chitown brehs know
mbewane
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Sure breh, what is it you precisely would like to know? These "no-go" zones yeah they exist, can't shed much light on them because, well, I don't go there
Most of them are in the struggle banlieues, so unless you live there/have people to visit there there's really NO reason whatsoever to go there. Inside Paris there are no such "no-go zones", people were mentionning Gare du Nord but it's just that there are neighbuorhoods with a lot of migrants around it, but that's not a problem per se. You'll have shyt happen in Barbes all the way up to Bastille, but it's not on the same scale. The only big thing I can remember in Gare du Nord was a couple of years back there basically was a riot IN the train station and it was mostly dudes coming from the banlieues. Some of those places are fukked up beyond repair I think.
I used to live in Amiens (about an hour North of Paris) and there was this neighbourhood that was ghetto as f*ck and it's only gotten worse, a friend told me there's basically a curfew there now, they send police every single night justr IN CASE shyt happens. I think the average of cars being burned in France is like 10 or 20 every night.
Situation in Brussels is kind of different because we don't really have "banlieues", the difficult neighbourhoods are in the city itself (which is good and bad at the same time), the social system is easier than in France and police/justice are somewhat more lenient than in France (which, again, is good and bad).
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theworldismine13
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And like I said as long as you understand that your religion is subordinate to the us constitution it will be peaceful, if you don't accept that there will not be peace
kk breh.. enjoy your bubble
Sure breh, what is it you precisely would like to know? These "no-go" zones yeah they exist, can't shed much light on them because, well, I don't go there
Most of them are in the struggle banlieues, so unless you live there/have people to visit there there's really NO reason whatsoever to go there. Inside Paris there are no such "no-go zones", people were mentionning Gare du Nord but it's just that there are neighbuorhoods with a lot of migrants around it, but that's not a problem per se. You'll have shyt happen in Barbes all the way up to Bastille, but it's not on the same scale. The only big thing I can remember in Gare du Nord was a couple of years back there basically was a riot IN the train station and it was mostly dudes coming from the banlieues. Some of those places are fukked up beyond repair I think.
I used to live in Amiens (about an hour North of Paris) and there was this neighbourhood that was ghetto as f*ck and it's only gotten worse, a friend told me there's basically a curfew there now, they send police every single night justr IN CASE shyt happens. I think the average of cars being burned in France is like 10 or 20 every night.
Situation in Brussels is kind of different because we don't really have "banlieues", the difficult neighbourhoods are in the city itself (which is good and bad at the same time), the social system is easier than in France and police/justice are somewhat more lenient than in France (which, again, is good and bad).
Are the migrants, populating at the same rate, as currently being witnessed in Belgium? Have the migrants attempted to enforce sharia law? Is there potential for the no-go areas to expand over time into more populated areas or gain a substantial amount of ground / influence over time?
Burning 10-20 cars a night
No wonder 88 still lives in America...
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Theres 751 no go areas, not 752. Heres the list - Atlas des Zones urbaines sensibles (Zus)
There are plenty of amateur YouTube clips of these areas.
If you visit France, do your homework. I stayed in a hotel in one of those kips cause it was cheap. Little did I know.
This is not a list of no-go areas but areas that are supposed to get more money, police force, public housing and such from the state...
Some of them are no-go areas but not all 751 I know that for a fact. Some of them are no more that 2 blocks in bumfukk rural France.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Are the migrants, populating at the same rate, as currently being witnessed in Belgium? Have the migrants attempted to enforce sharia law? Is there potential for the no-go areas to expand over time into more populated areas or gain a substantial amount of ground / influence over time?
Burning 10-20 cars a night
I can't answer for sure, but in general migrant populations have a tendency to populate at a high rate, so on the one hand I would say yes, on the other hand it's only in big cities that you have a big migrant populaion, so OVERALL I don't think there's a huge difference. And France is one of the very few European countries where woman are still making enough babies for the population not to decrease. In Italy for example, the increase in the TOTAL population is almost exclusively the work of immigrants, which is not the case in France. Belgium is similar to France in that regard, people look at Brussels and think "Belgium", but there's a whle country around Brussels that is extremely different from the capital. You really have migrants in Antwerp, Gent, a couple of small towns around Brussels, Liège, Charleroi, and that's basically it. So the increase in migrant population is mostly happening in Brussels.
Sharia Law? Well you most probably have some nutcases in those fukked up zones but I haven't really heard of anything "relevant". With all that is happening, Islam in France is actually quite old, established, and organized (there are official instances), so despite more salafist bs and influence from Saudi Arabia and whatnot, I think it's still extremely marginal in France, moreso than in Belgium for example. The french "integration" system, for better and for worse, still works, depiste obvious problems.
It's different in Belgium where Islam is more recent, less organized and where the "integration" model is non-existent. So a group like Sharia4Belgium (
) could come into existence in Antwerpen (they now have sister groups in various European countries and in the States I think). But they're not really taken seriously. They did a couple of youtube clips, organized a protest against Belgium's ban on the niqab, and that's basically it. BUt with Belgian's fragmented political structure, it was easy to set up a "muslim" local political party, which won a couple of seats in one of the places where there are a LOT of migrants from Morocco: Molenbeek (sometimes called Molebeekistan). For example, that would've been impossible in France, with it's republican and secular tradition. Belgium is secular but in a different way, and you've had "Christian-Democrat" parties forever.
More worrying is that a lot of youngsters are being recruited in Belgium to go fight in Syria right now, in Brussels and in Antwerpen. So that's an issue, even though it's still mostly calm at home we can't be sending people to fight jihad abroad. Remember that the guy who killed Massoud spent time in Brussels and his wife is still there.
I visited France as any tourist. From what I hear they're similar to hood neighborhoods in the US - South Side of Chicago, Parts of St Louis etc. Just stay away, there's no need to visit those places - there is nothing to see there. Anyway, Mbwame is native to Europe so he should have more info.
Edit: I see Mbwame has responded. good stuff.
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Here's the official french site:
Atlas des Zones urbaines sensibles (Zus)
WOW. What an embarrassment, but funny as fukk.
Sure breh, what is it you precisely would like to know? These "no-go" zones yeah they exist, can't shed much light on them because, well, I don't go there
Most of them are in the struggle banlieues, so unless you live there/have people to visit there there's really NO reason whatsoever to go there. Inside Paris there are no such "no-go zones", people were mentionning Gare du Nord but it's just that there are neighbuorhoods with a lot of migrants around it, but that's not a problem per se. You'll have shyt happen in Barbes all the way up to Bastille, but it's not on the same scale. The only big thing I can remember in Gare du Nord was a couple of years back there basically was a riot IN the train station and it was mostly dudes coming from the banlieues. Some of those places are fukked up beyond repair I think.
I used to live in Amiens (about an hour North of Paris) and there was this neighbourhood that was ghetto as f*ck and it's only gotten worse, a friend told me there's basically a curfew there now, they send police every single night justr IN CASE shyt happens. I think the average of cars being burned in France is like 10 or 20 every night.
Situation in Brussels is kind of different because we don't really have "banlieues", the difficult neighbourhoods are in the city itself (which is good and bad at the same time), the social system is easier than in France and police/justice are somewhat more lenient than in France (which, again, is good and bad).
LONG READ (but we are in HL, aren't we ?)
Interesting thread, even though the thread title didn't express what was discussed in it.
About the no-go zones :
I read the Atlas. I live in the "91" department and I saw the neighbourhood I grew in until I was 21 listed in that atlas. I won't tell which one is it but I will try to explain.
Me being also an architect (and having a little knowlege of urbanism and town planning), I will try to put some perspective on those things.
Also, I can be viewed as a leftist even though I don't trust no party and I'm not a far/extreme leftist, maybe it may count in the way I explain things, I'm used to write a lot but I will try to make it short too.
First of, as @LLMR said, not all of 751 so-called "no-go zones" are "no go zones" : the "ZUS" (sensitive urban zones) are neighbourhood that have above-average unemployment and below average school graduates, meaning that annd important part of adults don't often have regular jobs or only have part-time/minimum wages jobs leading to difficulties to provide for the children, and being so, the children don't really have the follow-though by the parents to achieve in school. You can add that most of the times, those parents are migrants who can barely speak the language which is also a big problem when it's time to help the children to do their homework.
This dangerous mix lead the children to have difficulties to succeed in school or when applying for a job then feeding the spiral and a part of them, then, tend to live the illegal life, increasing the crime rate, the neighbordhood's bad rep, and tarnishing the future of the children.
It's vicious because starting from the bottom (money wise) with little help from the parents and being descendants of migrants are already three difficulties that those children have to deal with, and they are not even trying to get out of their neighborhood.
Town planning wise, as @mbewane said, those areas are often a mix of high and low rises built in the 60/70's for the most when France need arms (which it got from its colonies (ie arabs and blacks). It's a little more complex thant that but I won't go too long.
The french towns usually have a downtown where the mayor and post office, banks, (super)markets, everything are (I don't speak about the very Paris, because it's different). A french town always developped itself by adding layers to the downtown. Unlike the US where town planners came with their rulers and trace grids, France had to deal with the existing urban tissue and it's rural "feel". So, when it lacked place, they built those housing complexes at the periphery of the the town where all the migrants went (it was new, cheap and had big green parts). In the begininng it was great for everybody but with time advancing, those part of towns became "banlieues" (suburbs).
In the "banlieue" name there is "ban" and "lieue".
A "lieue" is a distance something like a mile or a few ones. In the Middle Age, a "ban" is the place where the lord had all his powers.
=> A banlieue meant in the beginning, the whole area where a lord reigned.
But with time, the definition changed, the banlieue became everything out of the downtown : kinda excluded to the heart of the town.
A "banlieue" isn't necessary poor or bad, but it's definitely far for the center of the city. And generally speaking everybody who lives in the banlieue have an attachment to it "against" the town.
For the poor/migrant people, the different blocks of housing projects became their home and then their hood (which we call "cité" here).
Look here : http://cites2france.skyrock.com/, it's a good blog who don't glorify anything but shades some lights of those hoods.
The distance became bigger with the fact that every hood had their little shops, so everyhood were kinda self-sufficient. Reinforcing that "membership".
So you had the first difficulties and then you had the distance from everything and that "membership" to the hood, you get another ones. And they are not even out of the hood.
Because in the hood, you don't really have museums, clubs, restaurants (well you do have some chinese, pizza or kebab joints) or places to get out. You gotta to go to the big city which the town depends generally. At 13/14, that's the first time they get out of the hood (to come to Paris for example (for the Paris burbs, everybody begins with Les Halles :D) and that's when they really realize the differences.
Cause, you know, when you grow up, first you go to the kindergarten which gather the kids you know already in your own hood.
Then you go to mid school and then you see people from different places which are a little different but it's still good. You link up, you open your views a little. That's the moment you meet with people from different hoods and that's the moment where the hood clashes come and the hate between hoods begins. But you still with people from your own town even if you begin to go to the big city.
After that you go to high school (if you get to go there, a good part drops out before), that's when you can either get out or stick with your area (if you do the second, you kinda forever in it then). I say that because that's when you can apply to colleges and really leave that mentality.
I mean that's kinda all the layers that create the ghetto feel. I mean "ghetto" in the town planning way, areas that are excluded from a city yet still part of it. It just became that way, it wasn't really planned politically speaking but letting it that way led to that. That being the people that have the ghetto mentality feel that everything is against them and the only place they feel safe is their hood.
Those no-go zones are just that. Areas that have a strong ghetto feel.
Obviously in the worst ones, that's where the unemployement is high, where you go get your weed, where the bank robbers come from, where they torch cars for new year's eve, where the rappers come from, where the "bands" (not really gangs, we call it "bandes" here because they only represent a specific hood) from, where crimes happen, where white people are a minority and often victimized, where islamists come from (it's a harsh reality sorry), where illiteracy is high, where girls get gang raped, where building are dilapidated and people leave with rats or roaches, where the riots happen...
So this no-go zones aggregate almost everything against them so that's why they are ZUS, they need more state intervention, more social/health assistance, more urban renewal, more political help and... obviously more police force...
Because the real danger of this zones is that they tend to fold up, and the more they fold up, the less the state can help and the more it creates hate feelings towards and from it. It's a shame because the majority is NOT the problem and a good part of some who share the same problems want to succeed. It's a strong core of individuals who create hell for the others and give the whole hood a bad rep.
At the end, they are not no go zones BECAUSE they are composed by migrants but because of the way they were planned ; the distance they are from the rest of the city people, the people living in it struggling with multiple obstacles compared to rest of France (poverty, ethnicity, low graduation, religion, lack of culture, historical references), the crime rate and the ghetto feel that make them that way.
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preciate bro....
i'll read it after classs
i'll read it after classs