Brexit Is Teaching Britain A Lesson In Humility; Boris Johnson finalizes EU Exit Deal!

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I think Brexit is a terrible idea; and even though people weren’t properly informed when they made the decision, why shouldn’t they execute the Democratic will of the people? Serious answers?
 

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I think Brexit is a terrible idea; and even though people weren’t properly informed when they made the decision, why shouldn’t they execute the Democratic will of the people? Serious answers?

From what I understand of it, it wasn't that people were misinformed. It was that people were voting for Brexit as a form of "fukk you" vote to the UK/EU, due to a rise of right-wing sentiment and actual employment issues. Very similar to Palestinians voting for Hamas. But like the Palestinians, Brexit votes ended up being a majority surprisingly and it's been a shytshow ever since.

According to Wikipedia about the vote question:
Referendum question

Sample referendum ballot paper
Research by the Electoral Commission confirmed that its recommended question "was clear and straightforward for voters, and was the most neutral wording from the range of options ... considered and tested", citing responses to its consultation by a diverse range of consultees.[49] The proposed question was accepted by the government in September 2015, shortly before the bill's third reading.[50] The question that appeared on ballot papers in the referendum under the Act was:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):

Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union


and in Welsh:

A ddylai'r Deyrnas Unedig aros yn aelod o'r Undeb Ewropeaidd neu adael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd?

with the responses (to be marked with a single (X)):

Aros yn aelod o'r Undeb Ewropeaidd
Gadael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd

My question is: why hasn't the UK done a follow up vote to settle the question once and for all? In 2019, do the British people really want Brexit or to stay in the EU?
 
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From what I understand of it, it wasn't that people were misinformed. It was that people were voting for Brexit as a form of "fukk you" vote to the UK/EU, due to a rise of right-wing sentiment and actual employment issues. Very similar to Palestinians voting for Hamas. But like the Palestinians, Brexit votes ended up being a majority surprisingly and it's been a shytshow ever since.

According to Wikipedia about the vote question:


My question is: why hasn't the UK done a follow up to settle the question once and for all? In 2019, do the British people really want Brexit or to stay in the EU?
I understand that it was misleading rightwing garbage in the first place. But they did vote for it. So it’s best they get this bad boy over with once and for all with some amicable deal so far as what I know.
 

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I understand that it was misleading rightwing garbage in the first place. But they did vote for it. So it’s best they get this bad boy over with once and for all with some amicable deal so far as what I know.

Problem is, they sold Brexit at the time saying the UK would make huge savings in money which is currently sent to the EU coffers, and, among other things, they would re-invest ~£350mil per week to the NHS. Soon as the vote results were out, all main Brexit campaign folk (Farage/Boris etc) admitted it was a BS claim. That BS claim won them potentially millions of votes, votes who would flip if there was another referendum. In fact Jacob Rees-Mogg was on radio a few weeks ago admitting if there was another referendum, Brexit would probably lose because people now have the facts :russ:

That's why these racist fukks and Brexiteers are deadly scared of having another referendum :unimpressed:
 

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Problem is, they sold Brexit at the time saying the UK would make huge savings in money which is currently sent to the EU coffers, and, among other things, they would re-invest ~£350mil per week to the NHS. Soon as the vote results were out, all main Brexit campaign folk (Farage/Boris etc) admitted it was a BS claim. That BS claim won them potentially millions of votes, votes who would flip if there was another referendum. In fact Jacob Rees-Mogg was on radio a few weeks ago admitting if there was another referendum, Brexit would probably lose because people now have the facts :russ:

That's why these racist fukks and Brexiteers are deadly scared of having another referendum :unimpressed:
I understand that the whole thing was based on lies and deception. But what is true also is that it was the Democratic will of the people. It is what it is. It seems like a dangerous precedent to say that if people vote for something that if it’s bad for them it can be nullified. Sure this is objectively bad, but what if it was something objectively good for the people?
 

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I understand that the whole thing was based on lies and deception. But what is true also is that it was the Democratic will of the people. It is what it is. It seems like a dangerous precedent to say that if people vote for something that if it’s bad for them it can be nullified. Sure this is objectively bad, but what if it was something objectively good for the people?

a more dangerous precedent is that lies are rewarded. The emperor has no cloths and even many of Europes anti-EU politicians have tampered their rhetoric after the public has seen all the dire ramifications the U.K faces if they exit.
 

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a more dangerous precedent is that lies are rewarded. The emperor has no cloths and even many of Europes anti-EU politicians have tampered their rhetoric after the public has seen all the dire ramifications the U.K faces if they exit.
Every conservative campaign is based on lies. Is it more important that UK remain in the EU or that they remain a democracy.
 

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I think Brexit is a terrible idea; and even though people weren’t properly informed when they made the decision, why shouldn’t they execute the Democratic will of the people? Serious answers?

People tend to focus on Brexit itself, but the whole process is the culmintaion of decades of the UK eurosceptism and anti-EU rhetoric. So I don't care if people were misinformed, this is a G7 country, thay all have google and can inform themselves. The main point is that anti-EU sentiment has been in the UK for ages, that's how Brexit even was a possibility, and that's a collective responsibility. It's not Farage nor Johnson who made Brexit possible, but Cameron. There are people voting for these people, so the fact that the elected people end up doing bullshyt is also the electers' responsibility. That's democracy.

So yeah, there's no argument in my opinion for them NOT to execute what they voted for. As a pro-European I can't wait for them to gtfo.

From what I understand of it, it wasn't that people were misinformed. It was that people were voting for Brexit as a form of "fukk you" vote to the UK/EU, due to a rise of right-wing sentiment and actual employment issues. Very similar to Palestinians voting for Hamas. But like the Palestinians, Brexit votes ended up being a majority surprisingly and it's been a shytshow ever since.

According to Wikipedia about the vote question:


My question is: why hasn't the UK done a follow up vote to settle the question once and for all? In 2019, do the British people really want Brexit or to stay in the EU?

You're right about the rest but let's not compare the colonial murderous occupation of Palestine by Israel to a bunch of privileged nationalist brats who have been benefiting from the EU for decades.
 

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I think Brexit is a terrible idea; and even though people weren’t properly informed when they made the decision, why shouldn’t they execute the Democratic will of the people? Serious answers?
The question was ine of process.

Brexiteers ran on the leave with a deal idea. After they won the referendum the idea of a no deal Brexit started to be touted, as they realised negotiations were not going to be as easy as they thought.

Most people, including Tories, saw the no deal Brexit as craziness and are pushing for a referendum on that. Or make sure we secure a deal.

Boris is trying to run out the clock, probably because he has a few billionaire friends speculating on it who stand to make loads of money with a no deal Brexit.
 
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