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Boxing Fantasy Fight HW Tournament: (16) David Tua vs (17) Jack Johnson
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tua vs super mw- crusierweights..
I don't rate Johnson all that highly historically for alot of the reasons you outlined...but still...Tua got outboxed TWICE by Rahman...Hasim Rahman...
Lettuce not pretend that Tua is a shining example of some modern technical & athletic marvel...he's shown time & time again that he can be outboxed and Johnson has the style & skillset to get the job done.
Now if this was a matchup against IKE...shyt would be ugly for Johnson.
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He gets my vote. Tua was that dude though
He gets my vote. Tua was that dude though
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jack....but it would be along ass fight.
Tua by mid rd ko.
Jack is the better overall boxer but I don't think he'd be able to withstand an onslaught from a prime Tua.
Jack is the better overall boxer but I don't think he'd be able to withstand an onslaught from a prime Tua.
explain what makes jack johnson a better boxer
Better technique, better defense, better jab, just an overall better grasp of the basics.
Not to say that Tua doesn't have the basic down, because he does, but even in his prime he was hit or miss. He'd plod and head hunt with his left hook too often. He'd throw defense into the bushes and take hits for no reason. His power bailed him out a bunch of times.
I just think in this match up, Tua's power saves him due to Johnson never having to face a guy like Tua before or anybody that can crack like him and come at him relentlessly.
Even though he lost that bout, I'm taking the Tua from the President fight to stop a prime Jack Johnson. I hope that answers your question and if doesn't.............
I'm not here to debate or explain anything in this thread. I'm just dropping who I'd pick to win in a hypothetical match up.
jack johnson didnt have a jab. he wasnt a jabber. he threw crude caveman looking punches and he fought with both of his hands down on his waistline. he didnt move or use the ring and stood right in front of opponents with no upper body movement. you said he has good technique or better grasp of basics... i cant see it. im call it how i see it and say youre just saying that to say it because it sounds good. i dont understand how he would defend being hit by a left hook.... standing straight up with his right glove down on his hip. tua would see that right glove down and that jaw exposed and let that left hook fly at him as soon they got in the middle of the ring.
its looking like jack johnson is about to advance but for the wrong reasons. hes getting too much name recognition... instead of how he really fought.
jack johnson didnt have a jab. he wasnt a jabber. he threw crude caveman looking punches and he fought with both of his hands down on his waistline. he didnt move or use the ring and stood right in front of opponents with no upper body movement. you said he has good technique or better grasp of basics... i cant see it. im call it how i see it and say youre just saying that to say it because it sounds good. i dont understand how he would defend being hit by a left hook.... standing straight up with his right glove down on his hip. tua would see that right glove down and that jaw exposed and let that left hook fly at him as soon they got in the middle of the ring.
its looking like jack johnson is about to advance but for the wrong reasons. hes getting too much name recognition... instead of how he really fought.
nikka I don't give two shyts about what you see. I still picked Tua to beat him so miss me with all of that other shyt. Dude could jab, but he used it sparingly and was more of clinch maul inside type fighter. His best punch was prolly his right uppercut. Yeah he fought with his hands low, but that shyt worked. Hamed and ROy did the same thing and for the most part it worked for them too. He used his skills and style better than Tua was able to use his skills and style, so I'm going to say he was the better overall boxer. Simple as that. He was skilled for his time, but that shyt ain't going to work on a prime Tua. Historically wise he is the better overall boxer with better skills, but I don't think he has the intangibles to beat Tua.
Truthfully you just replied to me because you saw an opportunity to take stand against what you disagree with. Even though you got nikkas in here picking Jack to win left and right, you choose to vent at the nikka that picked him to lose to make some type of stand.
the difference im picking tua to win because jack johnson fights with his right glove on his waist and his chin in the air. you said he was skilled for his time and i agree but if thats skilled for your time then how skilled was he really. thats the point people are ducking
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