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I am fired up today after a good day so I will share my next strategy. Short the hell out of ***.
 
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i dont kno how to do calls breh, how much did u profit?
can u explain exactly what u bought, when u bought it , and why?

The price was in the low 3s a couple weeks ago.

I bought calls that expire in January 2018 and have a $5 strike price. I paid $0.75 per contract. Each contract is equal to 100 shares. I bought 20 contracts.

20 contracts equals the right, but not the obligation to buy 2,000 shares of EP Energy at $5 per share by January 2018. Since I paid $0.75 per contract, I breakeven if EPE expires at exactly $5.75. Anything less, I lose my money, anything more, I profit.

Buying those contracts cost me (excluding fees) $1,500.

I don't know what they're worth because EPE is a pretty illiquid options market, although volume today was through the roof. There isn't a narrow bid/ask and when there are few buyers and sellers, sometimes you can't buy or sell for a good price.

Options have inherent value and time value. If EPE expired at $6.79 today, there's inherent value of $1.79. But because the options don't expire for almost 2 years, there's significant time value.

The bid/ask on that spread today was about $1.75/$5.20. I'd bet with inherent value of $1.79 and 2 years time value, they're probably worth around $4 per contract. Volatility also affects premiums and EPE is volatile.

If I closed 20 contracts at $4 per contract, that's $8,000 excluding fees. So in a couple weeks, that's $6,500 profit.
 

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Yeah... horrible. EPE probably averages 50 options a day. Illiquid + LEAPS = wide bid/ask. From my experience, you'll usually see people bid around the inherent value, then it's a game of meeting in the middle if they see someone bringing down the ask. Depends on buyer/seller motivation to get in/out of course.

If I didn't own the stock, I'd never buy the options.
 
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