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i'm mad as fukk right now. How Cenovus gonna be up less than damn near everyone including CPG. I swear the markets fukkin hate me :what:


And I bet when oil falls a bit I'm gonna get it the worst too. I c ant even be happy on a good day with this shyt :mad:

What do you mean when oil falls? I just put 20Gs on the LINE. Literally, Linn Energy. Got in at 11.50 today. They were at 30 before the crash. If they can recover to the 20s, I'll be happy.
 

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What do you mean when oil falls? I just put 20Gs on the LINE. Literally, Linn Energy. Got in at 11.50 today. They were at 30 before the crash. If they can recover to the 20s, I'll be happy.

Are you attracted by the dividend? Why are my brehs so averse to options?

You can get a $10 Jan 2017 LINE option for $3.60.

You can hold the damn thing for 2 years and could have had the right to buy like 5,500 shares relative to the 1,700 some shares you bought.

Under your scenario of it getting to $20... at 1700 shares you'd make $14,000 (not bad obviously) plus dividend. If that shyt expired in the money at $20 by Jan 2017, you'd be looking at a $35,000 profit investing the same amount of cash.

:damn:

But of course... risking 20k on options without hedging would be craziness... nevertheless... I'm sure you could buy calls + puts to the tune of 20k where you'd be in a more favorable position than outright stock purchase.

I wish I never bought EPE stock outright in the first place.

:scusthov:
 

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crude had quite the day:

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Good question. I dont know exactly but the article blames Basel III and Volcker. Primary dealers have cut down on US treasuries they're buying from the treasury as well. Why they are doing that I dont know.
Yea, strange. Treasuries have 0 risk weight for capital requirements, so not sure on the reasoning on that either.
 

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Are you attracted by the dividend? Why are my brehs so averse to options?

You can get a $10 Jan 2017 LINE option for $3.60.

You can hold the damn thing for 2 years and could have had the right to buy like 5,500 shares relative to the 1,700 some shares you bought.

Under your scenario of it getting to $20... at 1700 shares you'd make $14,000 (not bad obviously) plus dividend. If that shyt expired in the money at $20 by Jan 2017, you'd be looking at a $35,000 profit investing the same amount of cash.

:damn:

But of course... risking 20k on options without hedging would be craziness... nevertheless... I'm sure you could buy calls + puts to the tune of 20k where you'd be in a more favorable position than outright stock purchase.

I wish I never bought EPE stock outright in the first place.

:scusthov:

I know breh I know. But I'm completely unfamiliar with options plays. Gotta do my research.
 

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What is an option play?

Do you need a margin account to participate in options?

How are option bets played? I understand you can win big with a little money invested, and yet you could lose quite a bit quickly as well. Could you give an example how this could occur in both ways?

Thanks in advance.
 

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What do you mean when oil falls? I just put 20Gs on the LINE. Literally, Linn Energy. Got in at 11.50 today. They were at 30 before the crash. If they can recover to the 20s, I'll be happy.
I personally expect turbulence but apparently US suppliers are cutting production which bodes well. Some canadians such as my Cenovus Energy have as well so this has helped the price rise.

I hope it can rise steadily but its too volatile so I'm being conserative
 

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I'm reading this now for some input. From what I gather, you have to be accurate about a stock's price on the expiration date or you lose the premium.

So in your example, would LINE have to be exactly $20 by the expiration date in 01/17 for me to make a profitable call? Or just somewhere above the strike price * premium?
 
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What is an option play?

Do you need a margin account to participate in options?

How are option bets played? I understand you can win big with a little money invested, and yet you could lose quite a bit quickly as well. Could you give an example how this could occur in both ways?

Thanks in advance.

Options can be confusing to explain, so if I lose you, let me know.

I imagine by "option play", he was referring to the various strategies you can employ with options. There are many different complex strategies. http://www.investopedia.com/slide-show/options-strategies/ Here's a good resource of some popular ones. I use #1 a lot.

If you're buying options or selling a covered call, you don't need a margin account, but you can buy options on margin. If you're selling options, you'll probably need a margin account.

Example why... Groupon is 7 and some change today. Let's say I sell a Groupon $9 call that expires in February 2015. Let's say I sell 10 contracts and each contract is worth $0.50. A contract equals 100 shares, so I've sold the right for someone else to buy 1,000 shares of Groupon. 1000 times my $0.50 premium I collect equates to $500. I collected $500 because I don't think Groupon will reach $9 by February and if it doesn't, I keep that premium.

Let's just say, however, Groupon has a monster earnings beat and I wake up to see the price went from $7 to $14 a share. No matter what you keep your premium. So in this scenario you'd be $14 share price minus $9.50 ($9 call price you sold at plus the $0.50 premium you keep). That's 1000 shares times $4.50 or a loss of $4500. Now envision you're dealing with a lot more contracts or a biotech company that just got drug approval and you'll see why margin is necessary if you sell options. If you sell puts, your downside is limited because the stock can only go to $0.

I gave an example earlier in the thread of options contracts I didn't buy for Achillion Pharmaceuticals.

When I saw ACHN, the stock traded a little under $3 a share. There was a contract that expired something like a year from when I saw it and the right to buy if ACHN hit $20 only cost $0.05. It was so cheap because it meant ACHN had to move up more than $17 for the call buyer to even make money, something that didn't seem likely with the temporary setbacks ACHN had.

Things changed for ACHN and not too long ago, that contract traded around $1.20 because the actual stock price was around $15, much closer to $20.

If you spent $500 on those initial calls, you would have had the right to buy 10,000 shares or 1,000 contracts of ACHN at $20. Those same calls a few months ago would have been worth $12,000.

You would have spent $500 and made $11,500.

ACHN hasn't even reached $20. That's the beauty of options. You don't even need the price to get above your call price. You just need volatility and for it to get close enough with some time remaining.


The flip side... those very same contracts that were trading at $1.20 had a value of $0.00 at expiration because the price never got to $20. You can trade out of your contracts at any time. The risk is you can lose your entire investment if the price doesn't get above (for a call) or below (for a put).
 
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