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ogc163

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" To summarize the Clover Assistant / Tech Platform / Direct Contracting session:

  1. Understanding current adoption of the Clover Assistant is sketchy at best
  2. There’s no real data supporting how Clover Assistant reduces medical spend
  3. Direct Contracting is an early but potentially meaningful regulatory change
  4. If Direct Contracting takes off, it seems plausible that companies supporting it will do very well
  5. Clover looks like its pivoting to an MSO model to chase this growth
Clover sounds an awful lot like a regional provider-sponsored Medicare Advantage plan that raised a bunch of VC money to build a cool tech platform to support the providers and scale the approach nationally.

Unfortunately while Clover was building out the tech it has screwed up on the MA plan and tanked its quality ratings. The MA plan hasn’t demonstrated it can scale anywhere beyond New Jersey — where its friendly providers are — and Clover appears to be shifting its focus to drive future growth by becoming a tech platform / MSO for primary care docs in the nascent Medicare Direct Contracting space. That move certainly may work out well and Clover could take off in that space, but the concept seems more belief-driven than fact-driven at this point based on whats shared in the investor deck.

The investor deck as a whole seems at best misleading as to current state of the business."
 

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I wrote this post before the merger, so CLOV is IPOC in this post.



The problems with Clover were clear to me in December.

How can this management team be trusted?

I was wrong about the merger actually happening. Looks like greed won out.

Why do you think this one didn't pop like the other Chamath SPACs?

Buyer beware. This looks like the perfect short sellers stock. This hasn't spent over 20 days above $18 so when the stockholders finally get released, and allowed to trade, there is going to be a rush to exit this stock.

Yeah the more I read on CLOV the more I realize I got in late and don’t see the down road value. Gonna wait to see it it can get back up to the 14 range then sell.
 

winb83

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Is Ford really that shytty?

been watching them for years and they are always in that $10-$13 range.
Don’t they have the highest selling pickup??? They can’t flip that into $35-$40/share???
:mjtf:
I should have held Ford. I sold it cause they dropped the dividend but they look like they'll get an EV pop.
 

Liu Kang

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Clover Health: How the “King of SPACs” Lured Retail Investors Into a Broken Business Facing an Active, Undisclosed DOJ Investigation


I’m not done with the report but a lot of shyt addressable / happens everywhere.


They need to fix their software / make sure to regularly check in with doctors for QA and probably fire the head of sales.


Rest of the article is fluff.
Ok thanks. ill read it.

CRM is in the class with AAPL, MSFT, GOOG and AMZN for me - just buy and check back in a decade

TDOC & BIGC boogeying, QCOM still taking a hit - added 5 shares
Totally agree with CRM. Watched my last company integrate Salesforce as their sole source for quoting, invoicing, pricing. Basically, the whole Sales process was transformed and fused with Salesforce tools with some automation to streamline things. It took a whole year but at the end, there was nothing but Salesforce to manage clients.

Also they bought Slack so they are expending smartly. How do you see that 235 price right now ? It does not look to be that bad of an entry to me though I would prefer it to be lower as usual :lolbron:
 

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I never sold any of my positions in the red and never will unless the company is nearing bankruptcy. They are a simple reminder of my failure and that I have learn from my mistakes :manny:
 

TheGodling

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Thank Gd I jumped ship from GME last week. :picard:
That rocket to the moon feels more and like

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Still holding though.
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