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Hoping Tesla hits 700 this week

rebalance is coming after s&p inclusion, so be careful what you wish for short term. if you are looking to make a quick buck then TSLA ain't it. i'm hoping there is a dip back to 500-550. hopefully 550.

1 year bull case is 800 i feel. i'll be happy with 750.
 

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NIO looking like it has a solid support at $40. i'll look to reenter soon, but i feel like i can make a quick buck out of spacs. that's why i bought BFT and IPOC. hopefully it goes up fairly quick.
 
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NIO looking like it has a solid support at $40. i'll look to reenter soon, but i feel like i can make a quick buck out of spacs. that's why i bought BFT and IPOC. hopefully it goes up fairly quick.

BFT got all the YouTubers discussing it now. IPOC is still a bit more under the radar in those circles but I can't complain with my $10.60 average. I think some big money will eventually get in
 

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rebalance is coming after s&p inclusion, so be careful what you wish for short term. if you are looking to make a quick buck then TSLA ain't it. i'm hoping there is a dip back to 500-550. hopefully 550.

1 year bull case is 800 i feel. i'll be happy with 750.

I bought some shares a while back just for a quick flip. Looking to sell those later this week.

Will still barely be part of triple digit Tesla gang.
 

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I was telling @Hiphoplives4eva that I was gonna pull the trigger on some Microsoft stock back then too and folded because it was in the 30s. I was looking for cheap shyt under 20 at the time :francis:

That was another blunder.


However in the fall of 2013, I copped 400 shares of Take 2 at 17.47 a share ($6989.92 total bucks). GTA 5 came out like 2 months later. Dem nikkaz currently at 197 a share and those 400 shares I copped are now worth $78,800 bucks. :wow:

Keep buying GTA5 and shark cards and VC for 2K my brehs!!!!!! :gladbron:

Somewhat related to your gtav thing. They releasing some new online heist thing tomorrow. Don't know what effect it may have on stock price but maybe people will start spending money online with this new heist and get your stock gains up. I don't plan on spending money on it but will definitely check out the new features since its been a while that I've played.
 

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Goes without saying but ya better have two factor on your trading accounts
I learned that the hard way on some crypto like last year or 2018. Don't think the account had much on there that I recall but still. Got it setup on fidelity for my ira and I use the fingerprint for M1. Not sure if there's another 2FA available, will have to look. I'm using a hardware wallet for crypto so don't have to worry about 2 factor on those funds. And whatever I use on an exchange has 2FA also so definitely worth having. Also for those new or not familiar, nobody will ever ask for your account information even if they claim to be from the broker you're using so don't give it away. The hardware wallet that I used for crypto had a date breach recently and they always sending phishing attempts to get peoples passwords or passphrases to steal their bitcoins and other cryptos. Some people have been foolish enough to give out their info without realizing the url they clicking is a fake one so be careful out there with your information.
 

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By the way the real reason I'm here so early is because ARKG touched $100. I felt that was reason enough. It's an amazing ETF. I thought it would touch 100 by the end of the year and it's actually a couple weeks early.

And the thing is.. it looks like it's just getting started. :wow:
ARKG/K/W are all up over 20% this past month.

Looks like ARKW gonna be past 150 by EOY, ARKK 130s and ARKG low 100's. Salute whoever brought them up first.
 

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This weekend I was doing some DD on IPOC.

When I started I thought IPOC was going to end up being one of my high-conviction stocks, but now I might stay away.

My first big concern is the management team: they might be under investigation. The CEO, Vivek Garipalli, and his partners also own a company that has three hospitals. Apparently, they are accused of embezzling $169 million, and falsifying the books. New Jersey state officials condemned their actions, but haven't yet recommended a criminal investigation. They also have a civil case going.

NJ legislators call for probe of insurance unicorn - MedCity News

Once I read that, I re-read the investor documents with a lot more skepticism.

Now, I don't see anything innovative about the company. The claims about the Clover Assistant, which doctor's use to provide service to patients, just does not sound innovative. They only have 57 thousand members, most of which they probably got through their three hospitals in NJ. From where are they getting Big Data? Medical information is highly protected.

They are overwhelmingly based in NJ. They haven't been able to scale.

I just don't see how they are going to take on the big boys in insurance and health care,which have millions of patients from which to draw data.

They try to position themselves as a tech company, and they use all of the Silicon Valley buzzwords, but if their technology is so advanced, why aren't they planning to sell to all doctors and hospitals? If you can cut doctor's paperwork per patient from 16 minutes down to 5, why aren't you selling your tech?

This might be a decent momentum play, but I don't see a disruptive company.

What am I missing? After all, I am a newb, and I ain't a medical professional.

The management team seems shady. They might leave after the big payday.

I won't be surprised if this acquisition gets cancelled. I can see the shareholders being a bit skeptical.
 
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@Notley

Great find. Did some digging and came across the report: https://www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/HospitalsReport.pdf
They created management companies in which they were the sole owners, no employees, and then paid said companies management fees to the tune of over $150 million in fees. Future of the hospitals, which are vital to the public health of the communities they serve, now seem to be in question. Gotta respect the jux.

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Also, one of the hospitals at one point was the most expensive in the nation New Jersey Hospital Has Highest Billing Rates in the Nation (Published 2013)

Reading that gave me flashbacks of the LBO stories I used to read and, lo and behold, he is a Blackstone alum.

This is what me and @til november call "financial wizadry" :laugh:.

Looking into BFT, the company merging with Paysafe (backed by Blackstone), and you will learn Bill Foley, the man behind BFT is also behind all of the title insurance companies (bolded) that are listed as PIPE investors into the merger with Paysafe lol.
~ Transaction Includes a $2.0 Billion Fully Committed PIPE from Investors including a $500 million investment from Fidelity National Title Insurance Co., Chicago Title Insurance Co., Commonwealth Land Title Insurance Co. and Fidelity & Guaranty Life Insurance Co., and a $350 million investment from Cannae Holdings, Inc. Other institutional investors include Third Point LLC, Suvretta Capital Management, Hedosophia and Federated Hermes Kaufmann Funds ~

EX-99.1

In fact, Foley's first SPAC partnered with Blackstone to form "Fidelity & Guaranty" (listed above). Which ended up selling to Fidelity National (also listed above) which Foley controls and also helped finance the SPAC in the first place. Bloomberg summarizes it perfectly:
In 2016, he (Foley) raised a $600 million SPAC with former Blackstone Group Inc. dealmaker Chinh Chu. The vehicle teamed with Blackstone to buy Des Moines, Iowa-based insurer Fidelity & Guaranty Life for $1.84 billion. Foley’s investment of $26.8 million for founder shares and warrants gave him about a 6.5% equity stake, excluding warrants, according to the merged company’s offering documents.

The dealmaking didn’t end there. Two years later, FGL, whose shares had seldom advanced beyond the $10 listing price, decided to sell itself for $12.50 a share to Fidelity National Financial Inc., the title insurance company built up by Foley. His net proceeds at the time the deal closed in June were about $138 million, according to Bloomberg calculations. Foley said he couldn’t recall the exact amount, but “it was lucrative, there’s no question about it.”

The somewhat circular nature of Foley’s first SPAC deal underscores the benefits of having a network to help execute a profitable deal. Not only was Foley a founding sponsor, he was also a major shareholder in Fidelity National Financial, which helped finance the SPAC deal and ultimately acquired the resulting business.

Serial Dealmaker and Master of Payouts Shows Why SPACs Appeal
Fidelity National’s Chairman Sued Over Buyout of Firm He Controlled

With that said, these SPACs are a good way to brush up on financial analysis, learn businesses, and get a glimpse into how deals are made.
 
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@Arithmetic A SPAC deal like that is not unusual. Tilman owned LCA which is merging with Golden Nugget. He was in control of the entire thing which was known from the beginning and all it told me as an investor was that the deal was quite obviously going to get done since Tilman was working both sides. Some call it shady, call it what you will but the confidence for me to invest was at 100% in part because of that and then you look a few months later and it's up over 100%

As for IPOC the bullish case is solely because the sector is hot and SPACs are hot and Chameth has been on a roll (the man behind SPCE, IPOB, etc. )

You aren't investing in Clover Health, you are investing in the idea that Chameth + the sector will allow it to run...
 
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