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Half the World’s Banks Are Too Weak to Survive a Downturn, McKinsey Says
It urged firms to take steps such as developing technology, farming out operations and bulking up through mergers.


It's the same thing again, banks making risky ass loans chasing profits and trying to keep that stock price up.

I disagree that more mergers is the answer, I mean it is the answer for stock holders but it isn't the answer for the world economy as a whole.
 
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It's the same thing again, banks making risky ass loans chasing profits and trying to keep that stock price up.

I disagree that more mergers is the answer, I mean it is the answer for stock holders but it isn't the answer for the world economy as a whole.
The banking system in Europe especially is very fragmented which has significantly affected profitability. Banks become safe when they earn healthy profits they create capital buffers for the bad times when credit markets go down. You can't have safe banks without profitable banks.
 

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I'm not one to pick individual stocks but AWR American states water is looking pretty good and it's a Dividend appreciation stock
 

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Selling Shopify at 168 probably the biggest mistake I made. SMH.. Sold Masimo at 88..
 

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Selling Shopify at 168 probably the biggest mistake I made. SMH.. Sold Masimo at 88..


Maybe not? Did you make a profit? Right now we're at the top of the market better to get out now than to sell at a beginning of a recession.

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Sector rotation is a theory of stock market trading patterns.[1] In this context, a sector is understood to mean a group of stocks representing companies in similar lines of business. The basic premise is, that these stocks can be expected to perform similarly. Additionally, different groups of stocks which have been clustered according to the aforementioned principle will show a different performance.

Sector rotation theory says a number of things. First, whatever sector is hot (has done well recently) should continue to outperform. Second, these sectors will eventually rotate so that whatever was once out of favor will be in favor. Third, these movements are somewhat predictable, and connected with the business cycle.

With the phase-shift in the performance cycle of sectors (ideally like the phase-shifted wave patterns of three-phase electric power) an investor could continually hop from a sector at the peak of performance to a sector showing a potential to rise.

A sector rotation investment strategy is not a passive investment strategy like indexing, and requires periodic review and adjustment of sector holdings. Tactical asset allocation and sector rotation strategies require patience and discipline, but have the potential to outperform passive indexing investment strategies.

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Examples[edit]
An investor or trader may describe the current market movements as favoring basic material stocks over semiconductor stocks by calling the environment a sector rotation from semiconductors to basic materials.

An example of a sector clustering would be:[2]

Leading
This includes stocks like consumer cyclicals and financial companies. These would do well when the market is at bottom.
In-line
This includes stocks like technology and telecommunication. These should go up more than the overall market in the main part of a bull market.
Lagging
This includes stocks like energy companies. These would do well when the market is at top.
Contrarian
This includes consumer staples. These should do least bad in a bear market.
Note that the performances mentioned are always relative to the overall market. During a bear market it is expected that all stocks will go down some.

Connection with other markets[edit]
The primary driver of sector rotation is the variability of currency values (inflationary, disinflationary, or deflationary) and interest rates. As the economy expands, demand for raw materials creates inflationary pressures, which in turn prompt higher interest rates, which increase the value of the currency, which reduces the competitiveness of a country's exports as the currency causes them to cost more to other countries. This final stage causes the economy to contract, reducing demand for raw materials, which creates deflationary pressures, which in turn prompt lower interest rates, which decrease the value of the currency, which increases the competitiveness of a country's exports—creating a new market cycle. The relative strength of commodities, bonds, currencies, and stocks shift in this changing monetary climate in a somewhat predictable manner.[3]


Bottom line don't get emotionally attached to any one stock what goes up goes down. You can't time the market
 

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Maybe not? Did you make a profit? Right now we're at the top of the market better to get out now than to sell at a beginning of a recession.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Sector rotation is a theory of stock market trading patterns.[1] In this context, a sector is understood to mean a group of stocks representing companies in similar lines of business. The basic premise is, that these stocks can be expected to perform similarly. Additionally, different groups of stocks which have been clustered according to the aforementioned principle will show a different performance.

Sector rotation theory says a number of things. First, whatever sector is hot (has done well recently) should continue to outperform. Second, these sectors will eventually rotate so that whatever was once out of favor will be in favor. Third, these movements are somewhat predictable, and connected with the business cycle.

With the phase-shift in the performance cycle of sectors (ideally like the phase-shifted wave patterns of three-phase electric power) an investor could continually hop from a sector at the peak of performance to a sector showing a potential to rise.

A sector rotation investment strategy is not a passive investment strategy like indexing, and requires periodic review and adjustment of sector holdings. Tactical asset allocation and sector rotation strategies require patience and discipline, but have the potential to outperform passive indexing investment strategies.

Contents
Examples[edit]
An investor or trader may describe the current market movements as favoring basic material stocks over semiconductor stocks by calling the environment a sector rotation from semiconductors to basic materials.

An example of a sector clustering would be:[2]

Leading
This includes stocks like consumer cyclicals and financial companies. These would do well when the market is at bottom.
In-line
This includes stocks like technology and telecommunication. These should go up more than the overall market in the main part of a bull market.
Lagging
This includes stocks like energy companies. These would do well when the market is at top.
Contrarian
This includes consumer staples. These should do least bad in a bear market.
Note that the performances mentioned are always relative to the overall market. During a bear market it is expected that all stocks will go down some.

Connection with other markets[edit]
The primary driver of sector rotation is the variability of currency values (inflationary, disinflationary, or deflationary) and interest rates. As the economy expands, demand for raw materials creates inflationary pressures, which in turn prompt higher interest rates, which increase the value of the currency, which reduces the competitiveness of a country's exports as the currency causes them to cost more to other countries. This final stage causes the economy to contract, reducing demand for raw materials, which creates deflationary pressures, which in turn prompt lower interest rates, which decrease the value of the currency, which increases the competitiveness of a country's exports—creating a new market cycle. The relative strength of commodities, bonds, currencies, and stocks shift in this changing monetary climate in a somewhat predictable manner.[3]


Bottom line don't get emotionally attached to any one stock what goes up goes down. You can't time the market
I sold Shopify after making like 70% return which was good but damn I would up like triple that now.. Basically I wanted to start selling my winners.. Good thing I let Apple continue to grow..
 

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I sold Shopify after making like 70% return which was good but damn I would up like triple that now.. Basically I wanted to start selling my winners.. Good thing I let Apple continue to grow..


I feel you but in the stock game you get what you get. I understand apple is like the most profitable companies right now (and I have Apple stock) but I really can't see people buying 1000 plus phones every two years and the Chinese phones are becoming very close comparisons. Apple tried the C models of their phones and they didn't sell. I don't see much room for expansion.

Again don't get emotional either buy and hold or practice sector rotation investing. Remember you only lose money if you sell the stock at the bottom of the market.
 
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