BLOODLINE CANCELLED.... COST A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS FOR THREE SEASONS

[the cool]

Werd easily the best character, couldnt get past like 3 episodes in season 2.

Going off tangent Netflix really has no good shows except Bojack Horseman, they can't seem to find the best talent or whoever is choosing the shows needs to do better.

season 2 of bloodline shyts on season 1 imo

bloodline season 2 might be one of my favorite seasons from a drama ever, its up there with season 4 of the wire and one of the game of thrones season 3 or 4

i am very sad to hear this news even though its a good idea because i couldn't see it going past the 3rd season. this is kinda of like a blessing in disguise

 

[Dwolf]

No more Rayburn fukkery

 

[Nature Boy Ric Flair]

DAMN BREHS


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[AlainLocke]

Haven't watched yet. I liked season 1 but even then I was like I'm not really seeing a show without danny

Without Danny, the show got really boring...

Me and my mom love that show.

 

[steadyrighteous]

So how does it work? I thought Netflix IS the sole producer for their original content? Is the money they are paying Sony the money they owe for production?

Netflix isn't a production company, it's a streaming service.

They buy content, they don't make content, even their original stuff.

And a huge part of the reason for why they pay more than they should is because having an original series on Netflix takes away your chance of syndication or making money by selling it to foreign markets i.e. When you work with Netflix, the concept of backend is null and void, so they make up for it by paying more up front.

So if you're a writer or showrunner and your rate for CBS/Fox/ABC etc. is $75,000 per episode, Netflix might give you $100,000+ per episode because you're not going to get another payment the way you would from CBS etc. when your show gets sold to Europe because your Netflix original series is in all territories at once from the word go.

Now take that rate for a writer/showrunner and bump up everyone's salary from exec producer to cast members and that's how shows get more expensive at a streaming service than on network.

 

[PikaDaDon]

Game of Thrones cost $10 million per episode I believe. shyts crazy. @hex

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

I don't care why season three is the last. It's the right call. The show is good, but not something that can go for years and years.

 

[pete clemenza]

Maybe stop production on sh*t like Hemlock Grove, Sense 8, Adam Sandler movies, etc.

 

[Arithmetic]

Netflix isn't a production company, it's a streaming service.

They buy content, they don't make content, even their original stuff.

And a huge part of the reason for why they pay more than they should is because having an original series on Netflix takes away your chance of syndication or making money by selling it to foreign markets i.e. When you work with Netflix, the concept of backend is null and void, so they make up for it by paying more up front.

So if you're a writer or showrunner and your rate for CBS/Fox/ABC etc. is $75,000 per episode, Netflix might give you $100,000+ per episode because you're not going to get another payment the way you would from CBS etc. when your show gets sold to Europe because your Netflix original series is in all territories at once from the word go.

Now take that rate for a writer/showrunner and bump up everyone's salary from exec producer to cast members and that's how shows get more expensive at a streaming service than on network.

Solid post.


Do you know where I can learn more about the business side?

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

I got to ep 3

Show was like watching molasses drop

 

[steadyrighteous]

Solid post.


Do you know where I can learn more about the business side?

I've learned all of this and more from listening to random podcasts and reading in depth articles on places like Variety, Deadline and Hollywood Reporter rather than digging for specific content and info.

There's no one place that has answers or specifics, you learn a lot from insiders who let stuff slip once in a while. Other than that the business is real secretive. You never really know who makes what or what things really cost or how it's made because they kinda don't want you to know and there's not one set way. It's a lot more random and amateurish at times than you think - at least that's what I've learned.

 

[the cool]

I've learned all of this and more from listening to random podcasts and reading in depth articles on places like Variety, Deadline and Hollywood Reporter rather than digging for specific content and info.

There's no one place that has answers or specifics, you learn a lot from insiders who let stuff slip once in a while. Other than that the business is real secretive. You never really know who makes what or what things really cost or how it's made because they kinda don't want you to know and there's not one set way. It's a lot more random and amateurish at times than you think - at least that's what I've learned.

What podcasts?

 

[steadyrighteous]

What podcasts?

Industry Standard with Barry Katz is a good one if the guest is a recent or current studio executive. You get a lot of how they got to where they were (usually Ivy League schools and some slight connections/general white luck ), but when they start getting into how their biggest or current projects got on the air you learn about how execs and higher ups manoeuvre and the ways that deals get done and not done. The biggest thing I learned from this is why/how shytty writers and execs keep getting jobs:

One of the running themes you'll learn and something almost everyone says without even being prompted is "I like work to be easy and I like to work with people I don't have to worry about when I'm off the clock, so I'll always hire the people I know will get the job done in a quick and hassle free manner, even if they're not the absolute best - it's just a bonus if they're really talented."

Nerdiest Writers Panel is sometimes good if the topic is more than just about how they write their show. There was one this year that had 4 showrunners and a HBO exec on a panel but the whole episode was about how they pitched their shows and what's good to do in a pitch and what isn't. The thing I learned in that is that there is no such thing as a perfect pitch. Read the room, and even if they start giving you notes that you don't agree with, sit there and take them, then don't implement them if you don't want to - just don't fight back in the room.

The Vulture TV podcast can also give you some gems about how the business works when they start to dig deeper than just reviewing current shows etc.

Really there isn't one or two be all and end all places to learn, you have to listen and read a lot, and you might only get one or two sentences of true insight per piece/article or podcast, but along the way you'll have a pretty good internal guide of how things in Hollywood work, and it's a lot less lewd and shady and creepy than you think. It's just a lot of (mostly white) people trying to keep their jobs

I'm sure there's more/better, but as someone into writing those are the ones I fukk with the most (along with regular comedy and sports pods etc.)

 

[wire28]

i guess i might as well stop my season 2 watching im on episode 7 right now

 

[Edub]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm upset too