Black atheist Nebraska State Senator introduces bill to force churches to pay property taxes

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this is bullshyt. man some of you guys have never been to church or have seen all the good they do. theyre all stupid morons that need to be put in their place right. grow up.
 

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I have mixed feelings about this.

Churches right now are just REALLY well run non-profits.

if they start paying taxes, they definitely get more political legitimacy and I DO NOT want that.

If anything, I think they should be subject to greater scrutiny from the IRS.
Separation of church n state tho :patrice:

I dont see it changing much, they would fight it. ITs a net negative for them, they have all the influence they want for free
 

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Separation of church n state tho :patrice:

I dont see it changing much, they would fight it. ITs a net negative for them, they have all the influence they want for free

I agree with this. There's also the argument that religious claims of conscience should be treated like any other, which I would apply in other cases where nonreligious people are unfairly prevented from conscience-based privileges or exemptions that religious people receive. Applied across the board, it would mean that religions who wanted their claims of conscience to be recognized could use the same secular channels of political influence, provided laws were not passed to specifically recognize or benefit them. The trade off would be that they could be taxed and their BS about not wanting to provide contraception, etc, in religious orgs would go down the drain, since the status of their religious claims of conscience wouldn't be given special standing over a secular claim of conscience, which wouldn't be allowed to exempt them from covering contraception et al.
 

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And if you read the bill, the word "charitable" is still on there...so if these churches truly were using all their available funds to help the community then they'd be exempt. They'd just have to register as actual charities (and thus prove they're really nonprofit) as opposed to getting privileges just for being "religious". :cheers:

This is the only angle I believe in.

So with that said, I don't think it needs to be pushed by an atheist. It will be rejected outright. This has to be proposed by someone who is actually a devout *insert judeo-christian religion*
 

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I have mixed feelings about this.

Churches right now are just REALLY well run non-profits.

if they start paying taxes, they definitely get more political legitimacy and I DO NOT want that.

If anything, I think they should be subject to greater scrutiny from the IRS.

I have to disagree with you. A well run non-profit would be a company who thrive on it's benefit to society, which has always been the intention since non-profit's inception. Churches do not operate due to the interest of followers, but are instead structured like a corporation who relies on attracting more people to benefit themselves. A mega-church, which I believe many people are against, are focusing on expanding their influence instead of benefiting the community they are based in.

They already have the ultimate political legitimacy, they are exempt from being liable to the welfare of the country by not being forced to contribute to the economic state of it. They are treated as an entity above the rest.

Why would IRS scrutinize an organization that are not under their supervision? It's like the DOE looking over corporations' internal training programs.
 
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Why not tax....shyt tax the politicians in D.C....they don't pay taxes. Tax the think-tank and lobbyist groups. Then again taxing changes what? How is this going to help the poor and black communities?
 

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The crusades were a response to muslim colonialism/imperialism.

This is revisionist history. There was no single cause for the crusades as a whole, because not all the crusades were the same. Western Christians sacked, looted, and devastated entire Eastern Christian kingdoms, and Jews, too, not to mention each other, through the crusades, and same goes for the Muslims, who were by no means a monolithic mass of united people.
 
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