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*The term "segregation" about this topic is white paternalistic bullshyt, if you ask me.

School board should expand Gifted & Talented programs in all neighborhoods. Fast track those students and you have natural feeder programs for the elite public high schools throughout the city.

I think that's the solution, to create equal route of access, NOT by lowering standards.


I agree but there's something way suspicious about that stuyvesant test man...:what: you telling me all the smart black & hispanic kids in the entire city and you only hand literally 7 of them the rest are white and asian???:patrice:that doesn't look suspicious to you???
 

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I agree but there's something way suspicious about that stuyvesant test man...:what: you telling me all the smart black & hispanic kids in the entire city and you only hand literally 7 of them the rest are white and asian???:patrice:that doesn't look suspicious to you???
I mentioned in the main thread about the test results that the story behind the story, is that many of the top Black students in the city are recruited by the ABC program. They take the top students and give them scholarships to attend the BEST boarding schools in the country.
How a Better Chance Helps Students of Color Attend Top Schools

I don't know the numbers, but those kids are taking their talents to South Beach Exeter and Philips Academy
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If I know this, surely the reporters writing stories about the topic know also. (They will NEVER mention that, though)

As far as the low amount of Black kids testing into Bronx Science,Brooklyn Tech, or Stuyvesant......I feel terrible about it. One of the posters here mentioned that G&T programs were phased out in many historically Black sections of the city. I thnk that's directly related to the low numbers of kids testing into the top schools. High achieving kids don't progress by being the "smartest kid" in a regular class. I think they benefit and learn more by being challenged in a competitive environment with other smart kids.
 
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Lowering the cut off point for the test so more lower black students get in is the goal of the “discovery” program? Does that just put you at a disadvantage in general? You’ll end up being in the same competitive environment with kids who technically scoring higher than you. Something about that is highly offensive to me... it’s almost like it’s cultivating a “at the bottom” mentality.

I feel like there has to be enough actual black Kids in NY who don’t need a handicap in points to pass that test.
 

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I understand that maybe getting rid of the exams may not be the best solution like some want but the fact that Asians are so against the discovery program shows that they are racist as fukk and they just don't want to go to school with blacks.

I feel a program like that is a good ideal because most NYC Public High School are terrible. I'm saying this as someone who went to one and by the time I entered college I was academically not prepared and had to do a lot of work in order to catch up to my peers who went to better schools. Specialized schools are some of the best in the city and I feel more of the students willing to work hard should get the opportunity to enter them. I also feel the public school system as a whole has more work to do and making more charter schools is not the answer either.

Sidenote: That test was hard as fukk when I took it at Brooklyn Tech. Going to the middle school I went too I was not prepared and I even knew kids in advance classes who thought the same thing. Overall I think there should be more test prep options and tutoring available for that test.
 

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I mentioned in the main thread about the test results that the story behind the story, is that many of the top Black students in the city are recruited by the ABC program. They take the top students and give them scholarships to attend the BEST boarding schools in the country.
How a Better Chance Helps Students of Color Attend Top Schools

I don't know the numbers, but those kids are taking their talents to South Beach Exeter and Philips Academy
hqdefault.jpg


If I know this, surely the reporters writing stories about the topic know also. (They will NEVER mention that, though)

As far as the low amount of Black kids testing into Bronx Science,Brooklyn Tech, or Stuyvesant......I feel terrible about it. One of the posters here mentioned that G&T programs were phased out in many historically Black sections of the city. I thnk that's directly related to the low numbers of kids testing into the top schools. High achieving kids don't progress by being the "smartest kid" in a regular class. I think they benefit and learn more by being challenged in a competitive environment with other smart kids.

That's true. I knew a handful of kids who were brilliant coming up but lost interest in school because they weren't challenged so they dropped out. If they were in a school with a gifted and talented program who knows how things may have turned out but my high school didn't have that and the regular level classes bored us because they were too easy. It's imperative that they create more of those in schools imo. It will not only help increase the amount of black middle school students who decide to take the specialized high school exam but it will lead to a better education for many students overall.
 

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I agree but there's something way suspicious about that stuyvesant test man...:what: you telling me all the smart black & hispanic kids in the entire city and you only hand literally 7 of them the rest are white and asian???:patrice:that doesn't look suspicious to you???

100 Hispanics according to the article
 
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I could of went to Stuyvesant

One of the dudes i graduated with goes there

If they makes schools better in areas like were i grew up this wouldnt be a problem
 

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*The term "segregation" about this topic is white paternalistic bullshyt, if you ask me.

School board should expand Gifted & Talented programs in all neighborhoods. Fast track those students and you have natural feeder programs for the elite public high schools throughout the city.

I think that's the solution, to create equal route of access, NOT by lowering standards.

Bingo!
Back in the day those gifted and talented programs were the lifeblood of Stuyvesant, Bronx science and tech. Since they were bushed non Asian minority representation is next to none. It’s an absolute disgrace.
 

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Effort to save the SHSAT gets deep-pocketed allies

By Reema Amin, Christina Veiga - April 22, 2019





A well-funded new group revealed plans Monday to fight the mayor’s push to scrap the specialized high schools admissions exam, advocating instead to broaden access to test preparation and gifted programs.

Dubbed the Education Equity Campaign, the coalition is led by minister and Brooklyn Tech alumnus Kirsten John Foy and is backed by multiple community groups, according to its website. While an exact number wasn’t revealed, the group has raised seven figures in funding, with big names behind the initial dollars: Robert Lauder, chairman of the Clinique Laboratories and a Bronx Science alumnus, and former Time Warner CEO Richard Parsons, according to a spokesman.

Education Equity’s genesis turns up the pressure on the debate over the test and Mayor Bill de Blasio’s proposal to eliminate it in order to boost diversity at the schools. His plan has drawn sharp blowback, particularly from alumni and some Asian-Americans, who this year earned 51 percent of offers to specialized high schools. Foy described the mayor’s plan as a “politically expedient shortcut” that is “morally questionable” because he believed it pitted the Asian, black and Hispanic communities against each other.

“Quite frankly, we have all been in agreement that the test is an indicator of the problem — it is an indicator of what is wrong with the elementary and middle school educational systems,” Foy told Chalkbeat. “And that is not a reflection on the professionals; it is a reflection on the bureaucracy.”

From town halls and rallies to lobbying, Foy said the new coalition will arrange a “very robust and sophisticated” advocacy effort to build support for a wish list of policies: adding two new specialized high schools in each city borough; guaranteeing free Specialized High School Admissions Test prep for every city student; ensuring all students have access to gifted and talented programs from a young age; asking every eighth grader to take the SHSAT (with the option to opt-out); and “dedicating the resources necessary to improve our city’s struggling middle schools” — which a spokesman said was related to curriculum.

The group’s asks echo many of the counter-proposals that are consistently floated by supporters of the single-test admissions standard, but it’s unclear how effective they would be. Some observers shared skepticism and disappointment about the group’s efforts, including former deputy mayor Richard Buery who tweeted, “I don’t understand why these folks would spend their time and energy to exclude Black and Latinx students from the specialized high schools.”

A spokeswoman for City Hall said the mayor will continue to call for changes to the admissions system, which was enshrined in state law almost 50 years ago after the schools chancellor at the time moved to investigate the lack of diversity at the schools.
 
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