Bitcoin is a Ponzi

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i think calling it a ponzi scheme is counter productive. it has people angry instead of analytical. it's best to just focus on what is actually a risk factor with crypto as a whole and certain technologies in particular.

currently, crypto is not tied to real world value. it doesnt do enough things that people want, like feed people, heal people, or entertain people - at least not enough to come anywhere close to justifying valuation. the dramatic dips and rips are completely unmoored from anything you can reliably plan for.

because of this and the lack of regulation, there is constant manipulation by whales and hedgefunds. the presence of these institutions is not evidence of the value of crypto, it is evidence of the ability to take money from people. there are margin calls coinciding with crypto dips for a reason.

if crypto becomes tied to something that people actually use, then it will stabilize and become a normal investment. this could be web3. if more of what we already like to do online gets moved into a p2p environment, then crypto will actually have utility instead of speculative value. NFT items are another way. i think NFT art is a really primitive use and there will be far more meaningful things done with it later. i actually think the stock market will be on blockchain eventually.

but until that happens, i think crypto is either to be played like a penny stock or a really long term investment waiting for the maturation of new p2p markets to give these things some real underlying value that can rival dollars.
 

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Where have we heard this before?



OK so now the crash that was supposed to happen from Labor day is postponed to later this month? So after this month comes and goes when will the crash be postponed to again?

I have no problem admitting I was wrong about prior crash dates. I’m confident it will crash this month.
 

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:hhh: no you idiot

Are you being sarcastic? I didn't bother trying to use it. I was surprised because I didn't realize Bitcoin was mainstream enough for regular people to just casually use ATMs for them.

ATM

Automatic Teller Machine

The idea is that something comes out of it.

Traditionally that is cash

Since Bitcoin has no physical object attached to it, what else could the choices be?

I'm not being sarcastic and I think this is a great question. But since y'all wanna act like that's an absurd question, Ima go look it up right now

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The argument is fairly strong but I'm not certain it's airtight in the case of bitcoin.

It would be airtight for most of the shytcoins though.





Something doesn't have to have been initially "designed" as a ponzi scheme in order to become one.

That being said, many (most? all?) shytcoins were designed explicitly as ponzi schemes disguised as "investments".
Yep those shyt and memecoins are ponzis but to me because bitcoins in the future is supposed to be a form of currency then I think of it as not.
 

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My point is that these regulated and insured vehicles are flawed and the same sentiments that this thread was created on, can be said for many things within traditional finance. I just was specifically talking about banks because that's something that everybody in this thread should be familiar with.

Once upon a time, banks weren't insured or regulated either. A lot of our ancestors funds were lost from early banks collapsing btw. Which has resulted in wealth being lost for generations to come.

Financial literacy has been divisive within the black community and it dates back to the period after slavery where countless blacks were burned by banks losing all their savings. It's actually pretty fascinating seeing how our history with finance is still restricting many of us today lowkey.

you have not stated a flaw that actually hurts people that would be solved by crypto web3.0 or whatever
 

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Who gives a shyt man..there's been NO easier money in the last 5/6 years than crypto. People who have been around already know its a scam/ponzi but in the end what does it matter, the money it generates is real. I know someone who bought 0.5 eth of a Uniswap shytcoin the other day (MCC) and 3/4 days later sold it for 1.6 million. Where else can you make that kinda money that quick?
 

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It's technically a currency, therefore not a ponzi scheme.

If it's a ponzi, you could argue that non dividend paying stocks are also a ponzi since the 5 criteria listed in the OP apply.

Few things i would like to say is that just because it's not a Ponzi, doesn't mean it can't still be a scam. And just because it's not a scam doesn't mean it's a good currency model. You could also argue that the US dollar (or any FIAT currency) is a scam.you could work your whole life trying to solve a problem in the market and scale your solution to where you provide value for millions of people...only to have a bytch ass organization decide to devalue the compensation you agreed to in exchange of your solution. If that's not a scam, I don't know what is...
 

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Who gives a shyt man..there's been NO easier money in the last 5/6 years than crypto. People who have been around already know its a scam/ponzi but in the end what does it matter, the money it generates is real. I know someone who bought 0.5 eth of a Uniswap shytcoin the other day (MCC) and 3/4 days later sold it for 1.6 million. Where else can you make that kinda money that quick?
This is a lie

investing in SPY which is the total S&P500, the safest and smartest investment you can make would’ve given you 106% of returns over 5 years


What you’re describing is literally gambling and it’s the reason so many people are FOMOing into this nonsense
 
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