Billionaires are holding 8.5 Trillion dollars. The coli told me these businesses can't afford to pay employees a living wage.

[ColdSlither]

The brainwashing of bootlickers is fukking incredible.

And no one is saying to not work harder. To not get a second job if it's needed. There's no compromise though. If I'm an employer/business owner, I want my employees to be able to afford to live. Preferably as close to my place of business as possible so it's easier for them to get there. Now maybe I'm just pulling shyt out my ass and I'm just making stuff up, but it feels like the issue bootlickers have, is that they know if they were taxed properly to support efforts to help the average person, they're still going to look like the bad guy. None of it is actually anything to do about the economy. It comes down to they're taxed and they aren't going to get their butts kissed over these things that help society.

 

[ColdSlither]

Thanks, I rather be called the Arbiter of Reality
Actually a basic apartment is alot of ask. This is another fantasy talking point. I see alot of ya'll have no clue and no respect to the amount of Financing and labor is needed to start and finish construction projects for housing, how much money it is to manufacture building materials. On top of all of this land is a limited resource. It doesn't grow on trees. Housing is expensive and scarce for a reason. There is no shame whatsoever for someone working an unskilled labor minimum wage job to live with someone else

Then have homeless people then. Period.

 

[UpAndComing]

Then have homeless people then. Period.

I have no idea why you are so against people working minimum wage having a roommate or living with family?

 

[Camammal]

shyt.. I say we wage war against the rich. Violence is the only way to solve this imo

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No intelligent response. When they can't rebuttal your points, next step is just emotional dap fishing

If you make a bullshyt claim and offer zero support for your claim, why do you think you have the right to demand a well-reasoned rebuttal? You need to put in the work to actually support your bullshyt before you can start asking others to do more.


YES, there have been times when janitors and construction workers and unskilled factory workers could afford to support their family. There are other nations right now who offer MUCH higher minimum wages and make it MUCH easier for a single-income family to make a living than the USA does. Talking like the American system maxes out what unskilled laborers can make is pure cap.

Prove your bullshyt claim that unskilled laborers have never been able to afford their own place. You know it's bullshyt.

 

[Wild self]

If you make a bullshyt claim and offer zero support for your claim, why do you think you have the right to demand a well-reasoned rebuttal? You need to put in the work to actually support your bullshyt before you can start asking others to do more.


YES, there have been times when janitors and construction workers and unskilled factory workers could afford to support their family. There are other nations right now who offer MUCH higher minimum wages and make it MUCH easier for a single-income family to make a living than the USA does. Talking like the American system maxes out what unskilled laborers can make is pure cap.

Prove your bullshyt claim that unskilled laborers have never been able to afford their own place. You know it's bullshyt.

Before the 2008 economic meltdown, a fast food worker was able to rent a studio apartment. Apparently, these landlords believed that their shoddy basic housing should be allowed only for the "elite" workers making over $150k and everyone else living like labrats, pack in like sardines to squeeze in more profits.

Now You want "skilled workers" to have Tony Stark IQ and a mouthpiece just to make over $100k

 

[UpAndComing]

If you make a bullshyt claim and offer zero support for your claim, why do you think you have the right to demand a well-reasoned rebuttal? You need to put in the work to actually support your bullshyt before you can start asking others to do more.


YES, there have been times when janitors and construction workers and unskilled factory workers could afford to support their family. There are other nations right now who offer MUCH higher minimum wages and make it MUCH easier for a single-income family to make a living than the USA does. Talking like the American system maxes out what unskilled laborers can make is pure cap.

Prove your bullshyt claim that unskilled laborers have never been able to afford their own place. You know it's bullshyt.

I specifically said unskilled workers who get paid minimum wage. There are unskilled workers who do get paid above minimum wage throughout history and in current day
Stop trying to change the subject to fit your narrative so you can dap fish. Stay on topic, I believe in you that you can be able to

 

[ColdSlither]

I have no idea why you are so against people working minimum wage having a roommate or living with family?

I have no idea why you totally ignored me saying I don't have anything against someone working two jobs. You chose to totally ignore that. That should tell you that I don't have a problem with people having a roommate or living with family. But your brain seems to be stuck on dumb as shyt because you can't seem to get over the reality of what minimum wage is, and it's not what you say it is in your head in order to support your repugnant and selfish views. Why are you against someone being able to afford a piece of shyt that some landlord doesn't want to fix. Don't tell me about what a single god damn thing costs, when we live in a nation that will find the will to make things happen if it really wants to.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I specifically said unskilled workers who get paid minimum wage. There are unskilled workers who do get paid above minimum wage throughout history and in current day
Stop trying to change the subject to fit your narrative so you can dap fish. Stay on topic, I believe in you that you can be able to

First off, I asked you to support you claim with evidence. You have done no such thing.

Second, I didn't change the subject, I quoted your EXACT WORDS in response to his EXACT COMMENT.

Unskilled labor still need to be able to put a roof over their head.

No they do not. Unskilled labor needs to live with someone who has a roof over their head

Unskilled labor has never been able to pay for their own living space in history, and never will.

Trying to change that to "unskilled workers who get paid minimum wage" is just circular - how can you decree that they're unworthy of a roof over their head solely due to what they're being paid? You can only make that claim if you assume that every business pays every worker what they actually deserve, and that millions of full-time workers don't deserve to support themselves. That's a ridiculous claim.

Real minimum wage used to be higher. Home affordability used to be better. Other nations pay higher real minimum wages than the USA does. So obviously, it's possible to make independent living by minimum wage holders more viable than the USA is currently doing. So now that we've got that false suggestion out of the way, what is your actual, supportable argument for full-time workers not deserving their own roof over their heads?

 

[UpAndComing]

First off, I asked you to support you claim with evidence. You have done no such thing.

Second, I didn't change the subject, I quoted your EXACT WORDS in response to his EXACT COMMENT.







Trying to change that to "unskilled workers who get paid minimum wage" is just circular - how can you decree that they're unworthy of a roof over their head solely due to what they're being paid? You can only make that claim if you assume that every business pays every worker what they actually deserve, and that millions of full-time workers don't deserve to support themselves. That's a ridiculous claim.

Real minimum wage used to be higher. Home affordability used to be better. Other nations pay higher real minimum wages than the USA does. So obviously, it's possible to make independent living by minimum wage holders more viable than the USA is currently doing. So now that we've got that false suggestion out of the way, what is your actual, supportable argument for full-time workers not deserving their own roof over their heads?

I literally talking about unskilled labor getting paid minimum wage in ALL of my posts in this thread

Now you're grasping for straws cause you came in on a dummy mission replying to my posts uninformed. Embarrassing

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I literally talking about unskilled labor getting paid minimum wage in ALL of my posts in this thread

Now you're grasping for straws cause you came in on a dummy mission replying to my posts uninformed. Embarrassing

Breh, are you trying to waste time on the internet or actually answer a useful question?

I already pointed out that including "minimum wage" as a qualifier is useless, because you haven't made ONE ARGUMENT as to why that is the appropriate wage.


"People deserve to make enough to have a roof over their head."

@UpAndComing: "Not if they make minimum wage."

"Why? Why shouldn't minimum wage be higher?"

@UpAndComing: "......."

"Didn't we used to have higher minimum wage? Didn't a home used to be more affordable? Don't other countries pay their workers a higher real wage?"

@UpAndComing: "......."



I've asked you to substantiate your argument three times now, and you've given literally nothing. Unless you just love the taste of boots and hadn't licked enough yet today, what is your purpose in this thread? You claimed to be widely read on history, philosophy, and economics, but you haven't given us even ONE ARGUMENT from history, philosophy, or economics to actually justify why a full-time worker shouldn't make at least enough to support their basic living expenses with a roof over their head.

 

[Remote]

 

[Conan]

Imagine arguing with retarded bootlickers. Couldn't be me

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Imagine arguing with retarded bootlickers. Couldn't be me

And you call yourself an American.

 

[Remote]

It's like this guy just wants to focus on throwing out these labels to justify not paying employees a fare wage.

Once you paint them as "unskilled", once you give people that label and view them through that lens, it becomes easy to convince yourself that they don't deserve anything.

"You are unskilled. You don't deserve pay to sustain yourself. You should have tried harder and gotten a job that I view as respectable"

The ultra rich aren't greedy. Whatever pittance you earn is just the way the world is. Nobody has their thumb on the scale. It's just the way it is and we shouldn't do anything to address this at all.

It really is that simple.

There are dudes in here arguing that a minimum wage is WORSE for the middle class. Which is outright preposterous since the middle class HAS SHRUNK over the last 40-50 years precisely because income disparity between the richest and poorest has increased. If he have a higher minimum wage (well, livable wage is a better term) and lower ceiling at the very top, we'd have a much larger middle class and a healthier economy.

And you can hear them all now -- "So you want to be communist?"

No, you dummy. There's clearly middle ground here. Read a book for once.