Bill Clinton's diet: beans, veggies, and fruit

[Serious]

type, what is the physiological evidence that humans are supposed to eat meat?

Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter : NPR

 

[OsO]

Our biological cousins, the apes, are almost all omnivores.

Our physical anatomy and dental structures.

Our anthropological history shows the earliest humans and pre-humans ate meat.

Vegetarians and Vegans need to supplement their diets with animal byproducts and supplements that were only made widely available after advancement in technology and social structure.

Neurological responses to eating meat.

but we dont have the teeth or digestive system of a carnivore do we?

also there is no animal bi-product the human body needs to survive that it cannot get from the sun and/or fruit/veggie/plant/herb sources.

and just because we did eat meat, and can eat meat, doesnt mean we are physiologically disposed to eat meat.

and what are the neurological responses you speak of?

and i still eat meat from time to time so just playin devil advocate here

 

[The Real]

Vegetarians and Vegans need to supplement their diets with animal byproducts and supplements that were only made widely available after advancement in technology and social structure.

I agree with your entire post except the part about vegetarians. You don't need any supplements as a vegetarian. Eggs + milk = all the animal protein you need, and when supplemented with all the proteins in grains, legumes, etc. you're fine. Unless you're referring to agriculturalism as the advancement in social structure (though not even then, necessarily) theoretically an early human could have been vegetarian without much of a problem living in the same environment as an omnivore (both would be living around cattle, etc, regardless, since both use many of the same food sources even if not consumed in the same way.)

Vegans are a different story.

 

[Type Username Here]

but we dont have the teeth or digestive system of a carnivore do we?

That is correct. We have the teeth and digestive system of an omnivore. We are capable of eating both and were designed to eat both.

also there is no animal bi-product the human body needs to survive that it cannot get from the sun and/or fruit/veggie/plant/herb sources.

Now a days, that is true. We have supplements created and technology to process and move food. This is a relatively new concept for humans though. Back before and during the initial stages of the agricultural revolution, this was not true. Animal protein and fat provided humans with necessary nutrients they needed to survive.

and just because we did eat meat, and can eat meat, doesnt mean we are physiologically disposed to eat meat.

We are physiologically omnivores. We can eat both. Doesn't mean you have to.

and what are the neurological responses you speak of?

Basically, the brain rewarded early humans with pleasure when they ate animal meat, fat and sugars. This has been passed down until now. It DOES NOT mean someone cannot dislike the taste of meat.

and i still eat meat from time to time so just playin devil advocate here

No problem. I don't have any issues with vegetarians or vegans. It's a solid choice but like I said earlier, I've been surviving the last few months on essentially no carbs, so no fruit or veggies. Just animal meat, animal fat and fatty acids (as well as vitamins and fish oils). Straight up Inuit diet. Fish almost everyday.

I think if you limit the processed foods, sugars, and bad carbs you will be ok, regardless of what path you choose. I also buy my meat from places I know it won't be pumped with shyt or given shyt to eat. I pay more, but it is worth it.

 

[Type Username Here]

I agree with your entire post except the part about vegetarians. You don't need any supplements as a vegetarian. Eggs + milk = all the animal protein you need, and when supplemented with all the proteins in grains, legumes, etc. you're fine. Unless you're referring to agriculturalism as the advancement in social structure (though not even then, necessarily) theoretically an early human could have been vegetarian without much of a problem living in the same environment as an omnivore (both would be living around cattle, etc, regardless, since both use many of the same food sources even if not consumed in the same way.)

Vegans are a different story.

Cattle needed to be domesticated first friend. What happened before that? What about eggs? After they were also initially domesticated, how did they keep milk and eggs from spoiling in the sun?

Social structures allowed the possibility of strict vegetarianism. Look at our ape cousins.

 

[bouncy]

I agree with your entire post except the part about vegetarians. You don't need any supplements as a vegetarian. Eggs + milk = all the animal protein you need, and when supplemented with all the proteins in grains, legumes, etc. you're fine. Unless you're referring to agriculturalism as the advancement in social structure (though not even then, necessarily) theoretically an early human could have been vegetarian without much of a problem living in the same environment as an omnivore (both would be living around cattle, etc, regardless, since both use many of the same food sources even if not consumed in the same way.)

Vegans are a different story.

Vegans can get all they need without ANY type of animal product, as long as they have knowledge on what to eat. You have to remember we were RAISED on these foods from the first day we were born, so we don't ask why we eat what we eat until you start caring about your health or want to do bodybuilding. People have been eating these same foods for thousands of years with very little change in their diet until recently and that change has been heavily processed, fake foods. Vegetarians aren't that big in numbers, let alone vegetarians who know how to eat right. Most people don't know how to eat right to get the best health because eating right requires knowledge and creativity. You need to know what to eat, AND when to eat it because you can't eat the same foods you eat at night that you eat in the day because the light and darkness effect your body in different ways so you need the proper food to accompany this fact. Once you learn what your body needs, and wants, you realize you can get what you want without needing meat or any type of animal product. I'm not a vegan because I like clarified butter for the short chain saturated fats to help make a little more hormones then my normal diet would, but I don't need it, and honey for the ultra sweet taste without causing too much problems that the same amount of table sugar needed to be just as sweet, will cause.

Vegan means eating NOTHING from any type of moving thing insect or mammal or wearing anything from them such as feathers, wool, or leather. They take it more seriously then diet..

 

[bouncy]

Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter : NPR

That is a theory, not fact. There is another one that says it was Magic Mushrooms that did it called the stoned ape theory. It sounds funny but once you think deeply on it, it makes sense, but it could have been cannabis also or some other type of psychoactive plant.

People who laugh at theories like the stoned ape forget all the religions of the world shows symbolism of psychoactive plants but hide it as just regular things among the majority of folks. They do mention them, as a way to experience the other realm. If you pay attention, it is right in your face.

 

[Serious]

That is a theory, not fact. There is another one that says it was Magic Mushrooms that did it called the stoned ape theory. It sounds funny but once you think deeply on it, it makes sense, but it could have been cannabis also or some other type of psychoactive plant.

People who laugh at theories like the stoned ape forget all the religions of the world shows symbolism of psychoactive plants but hide it as just regular things among the majority of folks. They do mention them, as a way to experience the other realm. If you pay attention, it is right in your face.

link it up breh.....

 

[bouncy]

This an animation of it so you can get a quick summary.



Terence McKenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


My theory to add onto the stoned ape theory, is that because we started harvesting wheat which is high in tryptophan, and carbohydrates which is converted to serotonin and gets absorbed very efficiently due to the carbohydrates, it helped keep the receptors activated that the magic mushrooms got going but because we don't eat magic mushrooms all the time, we didn't keep experiencing the positive qualities it gives, and we kept our animal qualities that hurt us now.

Here's an article on Cannabis in the bible.
Jesus Used Cannabis : Holy Anointing Oil - Psychedelic Adventure
Jesus Used Cannabis : Holy Anointing Oil


Do a google search for "cannabis anointing oil" and you can find more articles. Cannabisculture.com has more articles but the site is down for some reason, at least for me.
What's funny is that cannabis enhances melatonin secretion, which may be why it is known to be so medical and healing. Melatonin is converted from serotonin, which come from 5-htp, which comes from tryptophan which is high in GRAINS.

 

[Serious]

interesting, I'll try to follow-up on some peer reviews tomorrow night....

 

[OsO]

That is correct. We have the teeth and digestive system of an omnivore. We are capable of eating both and were designed to eat both.

being capable of doing something is quite different from being designed to do something.

we dont have good teeth for tearing raw flesh. and our digestive systems are full of meat that was not fully digested. virtually anyone eating a western diet has built-up fecal matter in their colon and intestines, which come out looking like black death whenever people get colon cleansers.

granted there are many factors involved in digestion, i think it's a very far stretch to say our digestive system is designed to eat meat when we have hundreds of millions of cases of the digestive system of humans being unable to fully digest and discard the product. that to me would seem like failure and not a good fit, no?

plus we have to cook meat to eat it. if we were really built to eat meat we would be able to eat it raw like real carnivores. but our digestive system wouldnt be able to handle that either. humans would become sick if they were on raw meat diets, more evidence the system was not designed to eat meat.

Now a days, that is true. We have supplements created and technology to process and move food. This is a relatively new concept for humans though. Back before and during the initial stages of the agricultural revolution, this was not true. Animal protein and fat provided humans with necessary nutrients they needed to survive.

again, just because we did, and just because we can, does not mean we should, and it certainly does not mean we were designed to.

in addition, humans are simply scratching the surface when it comes to being knowledgable about nature. we have explored about 1% of nature's totality.

Basically, the brain rewarded early humans with pleasure when they ate animal meat, fat and sugars. This has been passed down until now. It DOES NOT mean someone cannot dislike the taste of meat.

interesting. and good evidence for your case if true.

I've been surviving the last few months on essentially no carbs, so no fruit or veggies. Just animal meat, animal fat and fatty acids (as well as vitamins and fish oils). Straight up Inuit diet. Fish almost everyday.

how long you plan on eating like this bro?

I think if you limit the processed foods, sugars, and bad carbs you will be ok, regardless of what path you choose. I also buy my meat from places I know it won't be pumped with shyt or given shyt to eat. I pay more, but it is worth it.

no doubt

 

[Type Username Here]

being capable of doing something is quite different from being designed to do something.

I think the evidence shows that we evolved to be omnivores, as evident by our closest evolutionary cousins.

we dont have good teeth for tearing raw flesh. and our digestive systems are full of meat that was not fully digested.

We are capable of eating meat though. Certain kind of animals don't have tough muscular tissue. But, once against as evident by our ape cousins, humans have feasted on insects. Look at Chimps and Gorillas, their protein is mainly derived from insects.

Look here:

The researchers therefore believe this early human ate nuts, root vegetables, insects -- such as termites -- and some meat. While they think certain flowering plants known as sedges might have been in the diet, Lucy and her relatives were not properly equipped for frequent leaf-chewing.

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virtually anyone eating a western diet has built-up fecal matter in their colon and intestines, which come out looking like black death whenever people get colon cleansers.

We eat too much bad meat and bad shyt. I'm not arguing that.

granted there are many factors involved in digestion, i think it's a very far stretch to say our digestive system is designed to eat meat when we have hundreds of millions of cases of the digestive system of humans being unable to fully digest and discard the product. that to me would seem like failure and not a good fit, no?

But these issues you presented are found in carnivores as well. Acidic breakdown of proteins and muscular fibers is much different than plant-based foods.

plus we have to cook meat to eat it. if we were really built to eat meat we would be able to eat it raw like real carnivores.

We aren't carnivores my man. I said that over and over. We are omnivores.

Our diet, no matter if you are Vegan, Balanced, Veggie, Keto or whatever; it is all based on the comfort of what social structure has provided us. That means agricultural revolution, domesticating animals, fire, keeping milk/eggs from spoiling, supplements, transportation. Keep in my though, that these things are relatively new to us humans. We have been here a long time, and our physiology hasn't changed much from early man.

but our digestive system wouldnt be able to handle that either. humans would become sick if they were on raw meat diets, more evidence the system was not designed to eat meat.

Were not designed to eat solely meat. We are not carnivores. In fact, eating animal fat is much more important to us than eating lean meat. You can get protein poisoning (Rabbit Starvation) if you just each lean meat without fat.

again, just because we did, and just because we can, does not mean we should, and it certainly does not mean we were designed to.

I think the evidence shows that we evolved as omnivores and were designed to consume both plant and animal. I agree, it does not mean we should. That choice is up to the individual for now, and I think that farming animals at the current rate will one day be unsustainable.

interesting. and good evidence for your case if true.

Meat-Eating and Human Evolution (Human Evolution Series): Craig B. Stanford,Henry T. Bunn: 9780195131390: Amazon.com: Books

HEALTHY DIETS AND SCIENCE: Evidence of Human Adaptation to Increased Carnivory

The Human Brain - Fats

But listen to what I am saying: Now, as a Vegan and Veterinarian, you have access to these healthy fats outside of eating animals. I'm not arguing otherwise. What I am saying is, when our social structure didn't allow for this (maybe the first 150,000 years we humans existed, and much earlier for our ancestors), getting fats from fish and animals was much easier.

how long you plan on eating like this bro?

As long as I can. People have been doing it for years and years.

They key is to follow the 60/35/5 rule and eat healthy meat and fats. It's not as bad as you probably have been led to believe.

From another forum I post on:

A Guide to Ketosis - Bodybuilding.com Forums