Beto O'Rourke is even richer than Trump

[Uncle Phil 36]

If being wealthy is disqualifying for Democrats, you would have nobody but career politicians

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

fukk this guy.

 

[88m3]

@Bollywood Hulk Hogan would you have voted for Nixon over JFK?

 

[StatUS]

@ Beto being Paul Ryan with better social issues

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

What a weird smear attempt. Not surprising coming from Walker "The progressive case for Trump" Bragman. David Sirota has seemingly lost it too.

Police unions have increasingly found themselves in conflict with progressive Democrats in cities across the country, and are notorious for defending even the worst officers on the force against charges of assault or murder. Chris Evans, O’Rourke’s spokesperson, said that when he relayed The Intercept’s inquiry to O’Rourke, O’Rourke’s first memory of the fight was that police were demanding a provision that would give officers a 48-hour window after a police shooting before they would have to answer an investigator’s questions. That provision is indeed in the contract; O’Rourke’s remarks at the time, however, were focused on officer compensation and El Paso’s strapped budget.

O’Rourke in public took particular exception to some of the demands from the police union in the ongoing negotiations, including its continued insistence on maintaining the wage increases which he said amounted to 8 percent each year. In an August 3, 2010 meeting, a seemingly exasperated O’Rourke went so far as to ask the city’s attorney if there was a way to eliminate the union altogether.

“In my opinion, the basic problem with this whole set up is you’ve got a very powerful police union that’s been able to extract an unsustainable increase in salaries year-over-year and an unsustainable series of additional benefits,” he said, following an exchange over the city manager’s proposal to create a second police academy. “What are the provisions or opportunities for the voters of El Paso to go back to some other form of representation for the police officers?”

The attorney said there was not, and following the meeting, O’Rourke called the police union “out of control” and questioned “the need and wisdom” of having it in the city at all. The police union, angry at demands from the city council that the police be furloughed, responded by running an ad against O’Rourke and the city council.

But in multiple interviews following the August 2010 meeting, when asked to clarify or expand on his remarks, O’Rourke expressed the belief that private and public sector collective bargaining were different and that the latter could be deleterious to the well-being of municipalities and taxpayers. In June 2011, for example, O’Rourke specifically included the firefighters’ union in his critique.

Q: You’ve made some controversial statements about the police and firefighters collective bargaining process and the position that has put the city in regarding continual salary increases and benefits. Your thoughts on that today and what the city might do?

A: I’m a big believer in labor’s right to collectively bargain in the private sector. The public sector is a completely different situation. From my experience these last six years on City Council, I do not think it is in the community’s best interests, certainly not in the taxpayers’ best interests, to have collective bargaining by the police and firefighters.

They are exceptional public servants; however, they are not so exceptional that they get to have these contracts and rights that no other city employee enjoy and which the taxpayer cannot continue to finance without the city going broke.

A fight against a police union being spun as being anti-union?

 

[Serious]

Dudes on the Coli will cry about evil capitalism in one thread, and brag about their extravagant vacations in another.

So you're against vacations now

 

[Pressure]

fukk this guy.

For fighting against a property tax increase that the police union was attempting to force on Americans during the Great recession so they could receive raises while the rest of the country suffered.

You're a whole hoe right now and clearly threatened to the point that you've turned into Nap.

At the height of the conflict, O’Rourke publicly mused about disbanding the police union, calling it “out of control” and lamenting his colleagues’ unwillingness to stand up to the powerful political force. A year later, he was calling for “better checks on collective bargaining in the public sector.”

I dont think you'll find a single liberal poster on this site who disagrees with the following:

O’Rourke in public took particular exception to some of the demands from the police union in the ongoing negotiations, including its continued insistence on maintaining the wage increases which he said amounted to 8 percent each year. In an August 3, 2010 meeting, a seemingly exasperated O’Rourke went so far as to ask the city’s attorney if there was a way to eliminate the union altogether.

THE UNION FIGHT THAT DEFINED BETO O’ROURKE’S CITY COUNCIL DAYS
even the worst officers on the force against charges of assault or murder. Chris Evans, O’Rourke’s spokesperson, said that when he relayed The Intercept’s inquiry to O’Rourke, O’Rourke’s first memory of the fight was that police were demanding a provision that would give officers a 48-hour window after a police shooting before they would have to answer an investigator’s questions. That provision is indeed in the contract...

O’Rourke in public took particular exception to some of the demands from the police union in the ongoing negotiations, including its continued insistence on maintaining the wage increases which he said amounted to 8 percent each year. In an August 3, 2010 meeting, a seemingly exasperated O’Rourke went so far as to ask the city’s attorney if there was a way to eliminate the union altogether.

“In my opinion, the basic problem with this whole set up is you’ve got a very powerful police union that’s been able to extract an unsustainable increase in salaries year-over-year and an unsustainable series of additional benefits,” he said, following an exchange over the city manager’s proposal to create a second police academy. “What are the provisions or opportunities for the voters of El Paso to go back to some other form of representation for the police officers?”

 

[Pressure]

So you're against vacations now

He jumped the shark during the elections because we weren't being sympathetic to Republicans

 

[Serious]

He jumped the shark during the elections because we weren't being sympathetic to Republicans

Why would we do that. They're willingly holding the country hostage right.

 

[Pressure]

Why would we do that. They're willingly holding the country hostage right.

Recap. Started with a rant about doing more than being on the internet. Went off the rails not long after.

I mean, you all see what's happening right? When you're outraged over everything, you're outraged over nothing. Trump's approach to all this is working. All your tweets and memes are doing exactly nothing. All these hysteric pundits on cable news are doing exactly nothing.You're calling yourselves soldiers? Saying you're fighting a war? You're making anonymous posts on an internet forum. Snap out of it. There's no amount of daps or likes or internet cool points that will make any sort of difference. There's nothing an aspiring authoritarian government could want more than a bunch of people sitting at home, alone, staring a screen, doing nothing, but convinced they're on some heroic crusade against injustice.

And if you're holding your breath waiting for Mueller to put an end to all this you should probably recalibrate your expectations.

Get to to know, and talk to republicans in the real world. Nothing else makes a difference.

Encouraging non voters to vote is a better strategy.

Same with winning over independents.

You just went on a rant (for lack of a better word, no disrespect intended) about how expressing outrage or posting on the internet is the equivalence of indifference, yet then turn around and say that talking to REPUBLICANS of all people is the only viable solution for change??




I'd be better off spending my time talking to a garbage dumpster trying to convince it to stop smelling like garbage. At the very least I'd know the garbage dumpster isn't actively supporting my demise as a human being.

I have this same talk with my brother from time to time. He works for the city he lives in and is also a real estate agent. Meets people from all walks of life, but deals with alot of Repubs and Trump supporters on a daily basis. And despite how frustrating he admits it gets, he still does his best to engage them in logic, decency, and to show them the errors in their philosophy as Americans.

And I tell him couldn't be me. If you're supporting this shyt in 2018, IMO you're a lost cause. At best I feel you're taming your true nature out of sense of social constraint. What you're proposing is a sunk cost fallacy.

The same Republicans who voted for 45 and are wilfully undermining our government

They arent the satanists that the internet would have you believe when youre actually in the same room as them.
Just like you arent the satanist they think you are.
Get your internet cool points, though.

Are you trolling or having a mental breakdown? I can't tell the difference

You look at this thread, and think I'm the one having a breakdown?

Yes

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

You're a whole hoe right now

I'll accept being 12% a hoe right now. I didn't read past the headline and took an L.


Beto still sucks ass and I will never vote for him.

 

[Pressure]

I'll accept being 12% a hoe right now. I didn't read past the headline and took an L.


Beto still sucks ass and I will never vote for him.

Gotta read the article There's plenty of good Beto criticism, but that was almost like posting that photo nap keeps posting over and over.

 

[Serious]

Recap. Started with a rant about doing more than being on the internet. Went off the rails not long after.

yeah that's a bad look, I mean hypothetically you might be able to convince a few moderate republicans to change their position, but most are stagnant in their ways. The fact that the overall voter participation regarding eligible citizens was only 47%, means that there's an ever larger segment of people who need to be convinced that voting is worth their time.

 

[Pressure]

yeah that's a bad look, I mean hypothetically you might be able to convince a few moderate republicans to change their position, but most are stagnant in their ways. The fact that the overall voter participation regarding eligible citizens was only 47%, means that there's an ever larger segment of people who need to be convinced that voting is worth their time.

I think there was a time that it mattered. But 90% of republicans support Trump these days.

It's a lost cause now.

 

[Shogun]

Recap. Started with a rant about doing more than being on the internet. Went off the rails not long after.

You're awfully hung up on my suggesting that your anonymous internet posting doesn't make you some sort of freedom fighter. Looks like a struck a nerve.

Feel like you're winning yet?