Bernie needs to connect with black voters. Here’s how that’s going.

[Secure Da Bag]

It's disingenuous to say he was ever for the tough on crime measures. Even when he voted he said he had serious issues with it and was against large segments of it. The problem is that they wrapped up the tough-on-crime bullshyt, the Violence against Women Act, and the Assault Weapons Ban all into one vote. If he had voted against it, then people could say, "Why were you against the Violence Against Women Act? Why were you against the Assault Weapons Ban?"

Sanders was astute enough to see the racial bias and implications of the 94 crime bill. So he would be also astute enough to know why those other measures were added to it as well. So ultimately, he voted for a bill that saved some people at the cost of others and did so knowingly. I agree the bill is a "damn if you do, damn if you don't" situation. But he could have also said that he'll happily vote for either of those bills if they weren't attached to the 94 crime bill.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Sanders was astute enough to see the racial bias and implications of the 94 crime bill. So he would be also astute enough to know why those other measures were added to it as well. So ultimately, he voted for a bill that saved some people at the cost of others and did so knowingly. I agree the bill is a "damn if you do, damn if you don't" situation. But he could have also said that he'll happily vote for either of those bills if they weren't attached to the 94 crime bill.

Like you said, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Either way, his vote never was going to make the difference in whether the bill passed or not. And it didn't appear at the time that voting one way or the other on the bill was going to be the defining civil rights issue of the day (Bobby Rush also decided to vote for the bill in the end and he reps the Blackest district in the country. Hell, Kweisi Mfume voted for it and then got elected head of the NAACP.).

I think there's a world of difference between saying, "This person actively pushed tough-on-crime measures that hurt the black community" and saying "This person consistently opposed tough-on-crime measures that hurt the black community, but in one instance voted for a bill that wrapped up some of those measures with other stuff."

Bill and Hillary Clinton belong in the first category. Bernie Sanders and Bobby Rush belong in the second category. Those two categories shouldn't be confused.

 

[No1]

The difference between Sanders and Warren, aside from reparations, is that Warren crafts her messages to specifically and explicitly address black issues. For instance, her answer on the maternity death rate for AA women. Her solution is not going to help only AA women. It'll help all women. However, she doesn't say that. In fact, in a lot of cases she makes it a point not to "all lives matter" the solution. She speaks directly to the black issue.

Aside from reparations and redlining, Warren's solutions have to benefit all Americans. But she just does a better job of communicating how her solutions help black people than the other candidates. Sanders has to learn how to do that.

Son is a co-sponsor of Kamala Harris bill Maternal Care Act that deals with implicit bias and black women mortality rates and didn't even think to mention it .

Sanders is a guy who deals with things in black and white moral lines and tries to create coaltions to do the greatest good. He is not as comfortable focusing entirely on one group unless it's super black and white like Israel/Palestine. It is his natural tendency and background as an organizer. Warren doesn't have that sort of background so she comes at it from a policy brief manner. Their policies are not all that dissimilar. It's just Sanders' personality and because he hasn't had to deviate it from it in 35 years. The benefit of that in my opinion, is that he can be moved strictly on moral grounds. He isn't like one of these people who have been giving black people lip service for decades.

 

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[Wargames]

Son is a co-sponsor of Kamala Harris bill Maternal Care Act that deals with implicit bias and black women mortality rates and didn't even think to mention it .

.

Maybe because the bill is bullshyt

The Bill gives people entering the medical field access to implicit bias training, as well as establishes a pregnancy medical home demonstration program. It doesn't require they take it, nor incentivizes the taking of the training. Its hot air designed to get headlines.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Remember when Hillary said "Breaking up the banks won't end racism!"?

And then NOBODY asked her if she had some actual plan to end racism?

The elite are perfectly willing to use race to divide a coalition of the working class. And sex and gender, too.

They want the system to remain the same, but with a black transwoman as the face of it so you Twitter morons will defend the status quo.

 

[Pressure]

We're not going to Juelz the crime bill into worth a vote in 2020 after weaponizing it against someone who didn't even have a vote on it in 2016.


Nope.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

We're not going to Juelz the crime bill into worth a vote in 2020 after weaponizing it against someone who didn't even have a vote on it in 2016.


Nope.

I just keep the same energy for everyone, breh. Whatever standard we're applying to one, we apply to all.

 

[Pressure]

I just keep the same energy for everyone, breh. Whatever standard we're applying to one, we apply to all.

The standard has been set. It led to the mass incarceration of blacks. Knowing this and voting for it is a stain on his legislative record.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If he didn't say that, the narrative would be, "He's an old White guy, look at the generation he grew up in, he's got to be racist like the rest of them."

The fact that he was willing to defy White supremacy and march with King in the early 1960s shows that he wasn't just some liberal who moved towards civil rights when it was politically convenient. And it wasn't like he just marched once - he was the chair of his university's chapter of CORE, he led their CORE chapter to mere with SNCC, he participated in a multi-week sit-in at the university of chicago that successfully forced them to end their segregated housing policy, he was leading campaigns against police brutality, and he was charged with resisting arrest during an anti-segregation demonstration.

Compare that to Hillary Clinton, who was campaigning for Barry Goldwater at the same time.

It isn't the end of the discussion, but it's a good beginning. He was an ally when being an ally wasn't politically convenient. He was an ally long before being an ally was necessary to get votes.

Mitch McConnell even organized protests for Dr King bruh. It's 2019.

Mitch McConnell’s Commitment to Civil Rights Sets Him Apart

Hillary was a Goldwater girl...in high school. Warren was a former republican.

Its about RIGHT. NOW. homie.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

For people like @wtfyomom @Mook and @Rhakim constantly bringing up Bernie’s past actions, only one thing matters to Americans when it comes to politics:

Pushing for Medicare for All, $15 minimum wage, enhancing worker-owned cooperatives, improving early childhood education, making college more affordable, criminal justice reform, and ending the privatization of prisons.

If you don't believe those things will help the Black community, and you think another candidate has it better, then definitely vote for that other candidate. Right now I wouldn't mind if either Sanders or Warren won and I'm like some of Yang's ideas to keep getting airplay. No one else has impressed me enough yet.

I didn't even want to support Sanders cause to me he's too old for this cycle but I ain't seeing a lot of options out there. Every time I wanted to jump on some other candidate's bandwagon HL came through and proved to me they were trash.

We're not going to Juelz the crime bill into worth a vote in 2020 after weaponizing it against someone who didn't even have a vote on it in 2016.

Nope.

Don't be a fool. Clinton had FAR more culpability than Sanders. They were calling them "co-presidents" and "his most important adviser" and she openly and publicly pushed that tough-on-crime shyt the whole way. This like saying that Stephen Miller isn't responsible for immigration policy cause he "doesn't have a vote".

The standard has been set. It led to the mass incarceration of blacks. Knowing this and voting for it is a stain on his legislative record.

Nah, it helped continue the mass incarceration that was well under way. The same mass incarceration that Sanders opposed in 1991, 1994, and 1996, every damn time the crime bill came up. The same mass incarceration he was attacking in that speech I already posted.

He made clear which parts of the bill he was for and which parts he was against. If supporting the positive parts while opposing the mass incarceration parts makes him anti-Black, then do you think Kweisi Mfume and Bobby Rush are anti-Black too? They ALL believe now that the crime bill was a mistake, but that doesn't mean that they were opposing the Black community when they cast their vote. If anyone else had thought that, then how did Mfume get elected president of the NAACP and how is Rush still representing the south side of Chicago to this day?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you have the alternative that wasn't missing in action for that generation?

On the crime bill though you got me , cause did you not know he was an ally or are you just trolling?




And he lost the South cause his name recognition was for shyt down there and most of those voters had known Clinton for 30 years. How the hell you gonna blame that on the crime bill when it was CLINTON'S crime bill that Sanders opposed? Where was Clinton during that generation? What were Clinton's great pro-Black beliefs that brought her victory?

You don't have to like Bernie's policies. I'm hoping a better candidate that Bernie wins. But I ain't gonna sit here tolerating narratives born from bitter 2016 results.

Sanders was astute enough to see the racial bias and implications of the 94 crime bill. So he would be also astute enough to know why those other measures were added to it as well. So ultimately, he voted for a bill that saved some people at the cost of others and did so knowingly. I agree the bill is a "damn if you do, damn if you don't" situation. But he could have also said that he'll happily vote for either of those bills if they weren't attached to the 94 crime bill.

he voted for the bill







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[Pressure]

Don't be a fool. Clinton had FAR more culpability than Sanders. They were calling them "co-presidents" and "his most important adviser" and she openly and publicly pushed that tough-on-crime shyt the whole way. This like saying that Stephen Miller isn't responsible for immigration policy cause he "doesn't have a vote".

Stephen miller's job is immigration policy advisor. He was appointed and is paid to do this job.

You're reaching. You're better than this.

Nah, it helped continue the mass incarceration that was well under way. The same mass incarceration that Sanders opposed in 1991, 1994, and 1996, every damn time the crime bill came up. The same mass incarceration he was attacking in that speech I already posted.

And he was in a position to vote against the bill. He has a history of symbolic no votes as recent as this year. Seems like the right time to stand on principle because as you said, he vote wasn't the deciding factor here.

He made clear which parts of the bill he was for and which parts he was against. If supporting the positive parts while opposing the mass incarceration parts makes him anti-Black, then do you think Kweisi Mfume and Bobby Rush are anti-Black too? They ALL believe now that the crime bill was a mistake, but that doesn't mean that they were opposing the Black community when they cast their vote. If anyone else had thought that, then how did Mfume get elected president of the NAACP and how is Rush still representing the south side of Chicago to this day?

And here comes the Juelz.

The fact remains:

• Clinton did press runs for the bill as first Lady and is rightfully criticized for it.
• Bernie Sanders voted for the bill after acknowledging it was a bad event and I'm rightfully criticizing him for it.

There's really no needed nuance here.

 

[FAH1223]

We often bring up mass incarceration and the super predators statements Those were massive mistakes by Bill and Hillary.

That said, I feel like Hillary was lumped with Bill and not given a chance to see how her initiatives would have worked.

She was for addressing the gender pay gap, which would have helped black women, criminal justice reform, and helping more black small businesses.

She made a lot of black women critical parts of her campaign and for me had more in her policies for black people than Bernie did.

It's going to become clear Hillary was a much more substantive candidate than what we'll see with Biden.

 

[Pressure]

That hypocrisy is on full display in this thread :Camfrancis: