Belichick Vs Brady
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well sure, but i'm just speaking about the current/ recently retired QB's.How about Marino?
supertrekker
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The Patriots went 10-6 the year after Cassel though
The 2007 Pats went 16-0, then dropped by 5 games and went 11-5 WITHOUT Brady.
We've seen a similar drop before when the 2004 Patriots went 14-2 then dropped by 4 games WITH Brady in 2005 (10-6).
It's not unprecedented for a team to have a marked drop off after a great year.
Also, the Patriots scored 25.6 PPG in 2008, and 26.7 in 2009 when Brady came back.
And people like to act like the 2008 team was exactly the same as the 2007 team. It wasn't. They lost Asante Samuel. Plus Rodney Harrison played about half as many games. And Adalius missed also half as many games as the previous year. They also lost Donte Stallworth.
Exactly. Their roster makes a bunch of changes every year so it's not just Brady that makes them go. Bill knows how and when to bring in players and when to let them go.
supertrekker
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How about Marino?
Imagine Marino with the 80's/90's 49ers or the 90's Bills team or even some of them Washington teams under Joe Gibbs with that line and trio of receivers. But in all honestly I think coaches like Beli and Walsh do better with simple smart game managers than they do with a more gifted gunslinger.
blankstairz
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Montana and Young were more than just game managers, but I get what your saying.
I would say Beli who came from Parcells. Parcells was like that...Sims, Hostetler
And Gibbs won Super Bowls with 3 different QBs. None a Hall of Famer.
And the Fact that Bill's Giants Defences were top notch. Then Again he did have LT, and LT was an overall force.
I agree because that's exactly how Brady started out in that system. He believes "More teams find ways to lose games as opposed to finding ways to win them. So he says "Let them beat themselves." and he's right 98 percent of the time.
blankstairz
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And Banks, and Carson, etc. He had a young Beli coaching too. Then they had Joe Morris and then OJ Anderson at RB with that ball control offense style.
Parcells was the man. Turned around 4 different franchises. Giants, Pats, Jets, Cowboys.
Did he really turn the Cowboys around though? I mean I don't recall them winning in the past 25 years, or remember those Parcel seasons.
blankstairz
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Yep. Drafted Tony Romo. Went to the playoffs twice. Got tired of Jerry's meddling and TO and bounced.
Parcells coaching tree: Beli, Coughlin, Payton.
I vaguely remember Tony Romo holding a field gold kick, and bobeling it. Then starting the next year. something or other. well Payton and Beli are chips of the old block, Coughlin, I feel lucked into Super Bowls. plus coughlin as a GM seems overated to the point where he could do more harm than good.
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The Patriots went 10-6 the year after Cassel though
The 2007 Pats went 16-0, then dropped by 5 games and went 11-5 WITHOUT Brady.
We've seen a similar drop before when the 2004 Patriots went 14-2 then dropped by 4 games WITH Brady in 2005 (10-6).
It's not unprecedented for a team to have a marked drop off after a great year.
Also, the Patriots scored 25.6 PPG in 2008, and 26.7 in 2009 when Brady came back.
And people like to act like the 2008 team was exactly the same as the 2007 team. It wasn't. They lost Asante Samuel. Plus Rodney Harrison played about half as many games. And Adalius missed also half as many games as the previous year. They also lost Donte Stallworth.
The 08 schedule was paper soft and all the semi decent to decent teams they played cassell lost! Imagine Brady losing to the Chargers
If Brady was in that team for 08 with Welker and Moss and all 2nd season in he would have done something similar to 07.
Cassell had weapons that made him look good, Brady makes most of his weapons look good.
When Brady came back he was coming off ACL surgery and it takes some time to become comfortable in the pocket again. The whole cassel thing is hilarious, Brady would have had the Pats in the postseason in 08 no matter what
If we double Brady's output from what Cassel did, then I think you're right in the since that Brady would have took that team to the post season. The fact that Cassel had them in contention however, is nothing to sneeze at.The 08 schedule was paper soft and all the semi decent to decent teams they played cassell lost! Imagine Brady losing to the Chargers
If Brady was in that team for 08 with Welker and Moss and all 2nd season in he would have done something similar to 07.
Cassell had weapons that made him look good, Brady makes most of his weapons look good.
When Brady came back he was coming off ACL surgery and it takes some time to become comfortable in the pocket again. The whole cassel thing is hilarious, Brady would have had the Pats in the postseason in 08 no matter what
The 08 schedule was paper soft and all the semi decent to decent teams they played cassell lost! Imagine Brady losing to the Chargers
If Brady was in that team for 08 with Welker and Moss and all 2nd season in he would have done something similar to 07.
Cassell had weapons that made him look good, Brady makes most of his weapons look good.
When Brady came back he was coming off ACL surgery and it takes some time to become comfortable in the pocket again. The whole cassel thing is hilarious, Brady would have had the Pats in the postseason in 08 no matter what
I don't have to imagine breh.
As for Brady making his weapons look good while those same weapons made Cassel look good...Come on, Moss is an all time talent and he made Brady look spectacular.
Please don't tell me that Brady made Moss look good.
And Wes had almost identical numbers in 2008 as 2007, besides TDs.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Cassel is as good as Brady. I'm just saying most coaches aren't building and coaching teams that can win like the Patriots can regardless of who's in the lineup.
I don't have to imagine breh.
As for Brady making his weapons look good while those same weapons made Cassel look good...Come on, Moss is an all time talent and he made Brady look spectacular.
Please don't tell me that Brady made Moss look good.
And Wes had almost identical numbers in 2008 as 2007, besides TDs.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Cassel is as good as Brady. I'm just saying most coaches aren't building and coaching teams that can win like the Patriots can regardless of who's in the lineup.
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