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Becky Lynch on the women main eventing double standard
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Rayzah
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The women haven’t had a great main event yet. Yes the men have shyt the bed but they also have had great matches
the women are getting criticized because they are being given the spotlight, and some feel they haven’t even stole the show on the undercard yet
it’s like they went from bathroom breaks straight to the main event and so far they haven’t delivered. Sorry but they deserve the criticism, stop whining and just do better.
the women are getting criticized because they are being given the spotlight, and some feel they haven’t even stole the show on the undercard yet
it’s like they went from bathroom breaks straight to the main event and so far they haven’t delivered. Sorry but they deserve the criticism, stop whining and just do better.
sums up the whole discussion right here
Becky low key corny for tryna claim double standards just cause people ain't rocking with her matches
Rayzah
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That’s another issue, the women shouldn’t be doing TLC matches yet and not in the main event. They need to let them cook having more traditional matches that don’t involve all these crazy high spots.They don’t play to anybody’s strengths
they be having them try to do too much and they need to realize Charlotte and Becky aren’t the only women that can go. Becky is not an athlete she needs to stay on the ground and work a more traditional style, and Charlotte needs to work like a power wrestler would, not doing suicide dives
Yeah... but that match wasn't the main event. I recall the women's triple threat at Mania being considered a letdown by some, but I think that was more a product of WrestleMania being a long ass show.
That tag team TLC match would have probably been flames if Kairi didn't wrestle half of it knocked out on her feet.
However we want to slice it, there's a certain expectation when it comes to the final slot on a show. And since women don't get that chance often, they've got to make it count so that it can become a more regularly-occurring thing for wrestling events. And as @Mybeardisglorious said ... a shyt main event is a shyt main event. Rollins was basically forced down the road to heeldom after his bullshyt match with The Fiend at Hell in a Cell.
The thing is that if you really care about the match to be good, then you need to put your best in-ring people in the main event. Becky is CLEARLY the face of the women's division but she is not the best wrestler they've got in the division. This leads me to believe the WWE doesn't really care if the main event is that good.
It also doesn't help that the main event matches always seem to be overshadowed by some sort of promotional tactic or "main-event" style booking. Even that Sasha/Charlotte HIAC match basically removed what little drama there was when Charlotte got the upper hand and nearly had Sasha carted out before the match even started.
If any woman besides Becky and Charlotte can't main event, then women in general don't belong in the main event. Variety is not a bad thing. It helps grow the entire division.
Becky is right on the double standard. At the same time they have been given such 
agenting and stories just this year to the point it has hurt the matches. Sasha/Becky should have main evented Hell in a Cell. It would have more than delivered.
You had the hot angle and story in Becky vs Ronda and they went away from it. Most wanted the 1 on 1 and they spent most of the match avoiding it late into a 7+ hour ppv. The feud cooled off so much in the Mania build and the crowd were so burnt out by the time the match happened. It needed a decisive finish in the worst way.
Survivor Series was hurt by way too much hated heel vs hated heel. Raw being the knocked out of the running was a problem too. Never center a match around 2 hated heels. As much as most NXT fans can get into heel vs heel, (especially if one of them leans into tweener territory). That booking just puts the general wrestling fan to sleep.
TLC was a disaster and that's not including Kairi's injury.
agenting and stories just this year to the point it has hurt the matches. Sasha/Becky should have main evented Hell in a Cell. It would have more than delivered.You had the hot angle and story in Becky vs Ronda and they went away from it. Most wanted the 1 on 1 and they spent most of the match avoiding it late into a 7+ hour ppv. The feud cooled off so much in the Mania build and the crowd were so burnt out by the time the match happened. It needed a decisive finish in the worst way.
Survivor Series was hurt by way too much hated heel vs hated heel. Raw being the knocked out of the running was a problem too. Never center a match around 2 hated heels. As much as most NXT fans can get into heel vs heel, (especially if one of them leans into tweener territory). That booking just puts the general wrestling fan to sleep.
TLC was a disaster and that's not including Kairi's injury.
I think the issue is, it shouldn't be wrapped up in gender. The issue is, Becky Lynch cannot be relied on to anchor a main event-level match 
Thems the facts.
Sasha/Bayley in Brooklyn... that was a Main Event. Admittedly; the Women's War Games at last TakeOver should have been the main event of that show. It was the superior match. I feel like, left to their own devices, there's about 5-6 women in WWE currently that I could see being main event talent, in the Finn/AJ-match sense of 'can be a marquee match with little to no build, given the time to run it' sense. Becky ain't one of them.
The rest of this got long, so I'm finna spoiler it. Sativa got me analyzing and shyt.
Thems the facts.Sasha/Bayley in Brooklyn... that was a Main Event. Admittedly; the Women's War Games at last TakeOver should have been the main event of that show. It was the superior match. I feel like, left to their own devices, there's about 5-6 women in WWE currently that I could see being main event talent, in the Finn/AJ-match sense of 'can be a marquee match with little to no build, given the time to run it' sense. Becky ain't one of them.
The rest of this got long, so I'm finna spoiler it. Sativa got me analyzing and shyt.
As it stands, most of the women on that short list are on NXT. And it makes sense. WWE is so intent on being a variety show, that prestige-level wrestling isn't something they do enough for most of these people to be able to have the experience to pull it off when it matters. The pacing of those matches has to be different; there's room for subtlety in them that the 5 minute matches can't have, and in fact, it calls for a level of subtlety directly counter to said 5 minute matches. NXT does more 'prestige-level' wrestling; so even women like Bianca who haven't been wrestling as long as a Natalya... would probably still do better in that kind of match, and I say that believing Bianca is the weakest of the NXT women in this very thing - I'm of the opinion that they need to start giving Bianca that Goldberg booking, not necessarily in the sense of win-streak so much as match length, because it'll highlight what she does best, and also will convey that her opponents have to operate with urgency with her or she might catch them with a big shot and it's over... but that's a conversation for another day - and that's really sad since it seems like Natty's been wrestling most of Bianca's life on this earth.
It's that situation where, when you give people a well-done, compelling match, it doesn't matter if it's males, females, tag teams, trios, or goddamned thumb wrestling. It's the execution and the presentation. There's bias, yes, but... those same people that have that bias aren't watching the women's match when it's in the middle of the card or the end. At least if it's the end they leave and aren't sat there shytting on the match for personal enjoyment, so there's honestly less obstacles if you put on a salient match.
The problem is, they don't execute.
It's ironic, honestly, that she's the one in this position, because she's the only one of the 4 that a) never won the NXT women's title, so therefore b) never actually had the responsibility in NXT to have these kinds of matches. She's the least prepared for them. It doesn't shock me she's having those problems. Baszler was the strongest part of the SS threeway... because she's been doing 15+minute TakeOver matches. She's believable. And she knows how to get the crowd to react to things, instead of just expecting them to because they've been trained and it's rote.
People should be more open to women's wrestling being main event level - there are people who like it, clearly, if whole promotions of only women can exist and not go bankrupt; the market exists - but... the onus is on the performers to give them something worth being cared about, before you expect motherfukkers to invest.
Sexism is real, yes. But if you do a good thing, people will pay attention to it, no matter what. Act like racist white people don't love them some black music in spite of their opinions on the people making it. Because doing something well will cover for almost anything leveled against it.
It's that situation where, when you give people a well-done, compelling match, it doesn't matter if it's males, females, tag teams, trios, or goddamned thumb wrestling. It's the execution and the presentation. There's bias, yes, but... those same people that have that bias aren't watching the women's match when it's in the middle of the card or the end. At least if it's the end they leave and aren't sat there shytting on the match for personal enjoyment, so there's honestly less obstacles if you put on a salient match.
The problem is, they don't execute.
It's ironic, honestly, that she's the one in this position, because she's the only one of the 4 that a) never won the NXT women's title, so therefore b) never actually had the responsibility in NXT to have these kinds of matches. She's the least prepared for them. It doesn't shock me she's having those problems. Baszler was the strongest part of the SS threeway... because she's been doing 15+minute TakeOver matches. She's believable. And she knows how to get the crowd to react to things, instead of just expecting them to because they've been trained and it's rote.
People should be more open to women's wrestling being main event level - there are people who like it, clearly, if whole promotions of only women can exist and not go bankrupt; the market exists - but... the onus is on the performers to give them something worth being cared about, before you expect motherfukkers to invest.
Note it's almost never the minority women in these situations complaining about this kinda shyt. I mean, part of that is the company not giving them the chances to be in those situations off-top, which is it's own problem. But also... fukk it, I'mma say it: non-white women know what it is to have to work against a stigma or a bias and have to put in twice the work for the same result; white women don't always rationalize that because they get to the 'it shouldn't be that way' moment and sit there instead of needing to K.I.M. because they don't have the option of decrying foul play and demanding things change. Bills gotta get paid and sometimes shyt be like that. . It's a work ethic thing. Some people go out there, and have their match get shat on and they get upset at the crowd or call it unfair - the wonderful Sheamus/Orton match - and some people take it as a challenge and do something that pulls the crowd back. Favorite example of that: Cesaro killing the beach ball. It got him heat, it got him over, it got the crowd focused back on the match and it changed WWE policy on beach balls, all because instead of pouting, the nikka went out there and 'ruined the fun' like a skrong-ass Hall Monitor.
. It's a work ethic thing. Some people go out there, and have their match get shat on and they get upset at the crowd or call it unfair - the wonderful Sheamus/Orton match - and some people take it as a challenge and do something that pulls the crowd back. Favorite example of that: Cesaro killing the beach ball. It got him heat, it got him over, it got the crowd focused back on the match and it changed WWE policy on beach balls, all because instead of pouting, the nikka went out there and 'ruined the fun' like a skrong-ass Hall Monitor.Sexism is real, yes. But if you do a good thing, people will pay attention to it, no matter what. Act like racist white people don't love them some black music in spite of their opinions on the people making it. Because doing something well will cover for almost anything leveled against it.
Rell84shots
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Not just that match but the Wrestlemania main event and the Survivor Series main event were also terrible, there also seems to be a common denominator involved in all of those matches. Women main eventing is not the problem but we can't ignore how awful they've been when given the spotlight on the main roster. Also OP left out the best part of her delusional take which wasI agree with her point about the additional scrutiny but the Lynch/Charlotte Vs. Asuka/Kairi TLC main-event was that sloppy, it would have been shyt on regardless of gender. Somebody could have actually been injured
Never mind the fact that Ronda & Edge both ethered her flawlessly on Twitter, her biggest W was against Road Warrior Animal
Have you not seen Charles this year? She's has constantly been regressing for a while now.
You're bringing up angles, but we're talking about the matches themselves being awful. Becky is complaining when she should be grateful that she's not being torn to shreds for her poor performances and Cena like booking. The fans in the arena haven't turned on her yet but it's only a matter of time.Becky is right on the double standard. At the same time they have been given such
You had the hot angle and story in Becky vs Ronda and they went away from it. Most wanted the 1 on 1 and they spent most of the match avoiding it late into a 7+ hour ppv. The feud cooled off so much in the Mania build and the crowd were so burnt out by the time the match happened. It needed a decisive finish in the worst way.
Survivor Series was hurt by way too much hated heel vs hated heel. Raw being the knocked out of the running was a problem too. Never center a match around 2 hated heels. As much as most NXT fans can get into heel vs heel, (especially if one of them leans into tweener territory). That booking just puts the general wrestling fan to sleep.
TLC was a disaster and that's not including Kairi's injury.
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RammerJammer
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I enjoyed the Sasha/Charlotte (despite the shytty booking) and 2018 Women’s TLC Main Events
.They’re are some women that can carry a main event match, Becky cannot.
Not just that match but the Wrestlemania main event and the Survivor Series main event were also terrible, there also seems to be a common denominator involved in all of those matches. Women main eventing is not the problem but we can't ignore how awful they've been when given the spotlight on the main roster. Also OP left out the best part of her delusional take which was
Never mind the fact that Ronda & Edge both ethered her flawlessly on Twitter, her biggest W was against Road Warrior Animal
Funny enough all those matches disappointed because they went with the "safe bet" despite not making any story sense.
They used Charlotte's history in big matches to justify the mania involvement. It watered down the core feud and hurt the match.
Bayley has history of carrying people so they made her work most of the Survivor Series match and have Becky be in it the least.
The TLC match justifier was hilariously bad. It was "the 2018 TLC main event was great so let's put Becky & Charlotte back together to face Asuka and Kairi"
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
I would be surprised if Becky makes it through 2020 without being forced to turn heel, or doesn't end up giving interviews about how the fans frustrate her because of the negative reactions they're starting to give her. It's usually the next step considering where she's at right now, and if she continues to be in more subpar main events, she's going to have a hard time handling the fallout.
It's disappointing considering the fact that I wanted her in this spot, but I think it's getting to the point where she needs to give it up to someone else.
Playaz Eyez
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This wouldn’t even be a discussion had the Women’s Survivor Series match main evented instead of the Triple Threat. The SS match was action packed and exciting all the way through. The triple threat was slow boring and had no heat at all til the end. Also, after Shayna won and was celebrating, they had Becky attack her to stand tall to close out the show...which made her come off as a bytchy heel. There was literally no reason for them to have her do that.
