Scotch Hall
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Man, Barry was tuff I know physique doesn't really matter but damn dude should have hit the gym harder him and gagnes son
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Barry Windham's heel turn
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Politics..........Late 80's/Early 90's Everyone except the man in charge knew Barry Windham should've been the #1 guy
.........but Luger had the body, Sting had the charisma, Windham fell by the waist side and just said fukk itand winged it for the rest of his career
Istill don't understand why Windham didn't get the strap from Flair at some point during their feud. They were having 60 and 90 minute matches that ended in draws for months and the culmination of that feud should have been Barry winning the belt.
And that video just makes me sad because the NWA was so good during this time period. Everything I loved about it happened too: Dusty getting jumped, Flair giving a hellacious promo, the Horsemen just styling on everyone, JJ Dillon being an absolute G, and old school Jim Ross.
It also has me wondering why WWE and TNA are not bringing back heel managers. JJ was awesome as a mouthpiece adn durng that match where Windham turned he was on point especially when he was politicking every time Windham went to make a tag and Luger wasn't there.
There are a shytload of wrestlers who could benefit greatly from having a JJ Dillon type manager in their corner.
A few reasons: by the late '80s flair had a stranglehold on the belt, and he clearly wasnt interested in dropping the title to a young up and comer who could usurp his position as top dog.
Dusty also didnt trust windham after he bolted for the WWF in 1985. Windham was Rhodes' right hand man, and his defection out of the blue bothered Rhodes a lot. Windham was being groomed as a main eventer before he bounced.
Plus, as an aside, Windham for as good of a worker as he was, wasnt terribly charismatic, nor hard working. He got by on his talent, and once that started to fade he became completely average and bland.
At the time of his Flair feud he was still at the top of his game physically (and arguably oen of the top 5 wrestlers working) and his lack of charisma shouldn't have been a stumbling block either. They gave dull ass Ronnie Garvin a month with the title, they could have done the exact same thing with Windham.
He was offered that win, which ultimately went to garvin, but he turned it down, because no one in his right mind wanted such a transparently lame duck win and run. By '87 and '88, Flair had virtually an uninterrupted, years long run at the top as a heel, so while the WWF was sending fans home happy every night with the superman babyface conquering evil, the NWA somehow thought fans would appreciate the sht talking, elitist heel always managing to come out on top week in and week out.
Yup, I remember seeing the only reason they did it anyway was so Flair could get a title win at Starrcade '87. Garvin took it because he wouldn't have had that opportunity otherwise and nobody else wanted it. And everybody else was right, because they booed the shyt out of Garvin at Starrcade, popped for Flair's win, and Garvin was straight irrelevant by the following spring. That could've been Windham.
Flair was a draw there tho'... the only true face draws they had at that time was Dusty and Magnum (until the accident ended that), that's also why the belt was on him so much... the money was in Flair being chased for the title, not a face champion. It would've been good for Windham to get a run with it during that time, or even once he turned heel, but it wasn't a must at all.
Flair being chased by a face was always the better option in NWA.
On the subject of people not getting titles who should have, I always thought they should have given Nikita Koloff a couple months with the belt too especially right after his face turn in honor of Magnum TA.
On the subject of people not getting titles who should have, I always thought they should have given Nikita Koloff a couple months with the belt too especially right after his face turn in honor of Magnum TA.
The money evaporated in the fall of '87 for Crockett, as the fans grew wise that Flair wasn't giving up the belt. I think the fact that they failed to develop a strong babyface outside of Magnum, was owed to the monopolization backstage power tag team of Flair and Rhodes. Rhodes didnt want an upstart babyface messing with his spot, and Flair didnt want a babyface champ running away w/ the belt.
In retrospect, they should have turned Flair babyface and have the horsemen dump him --- but even that would have been a reshuffling of the deck, rather than a development of a true babyface alternative to Hogan.
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Windham in the cut, that's a scary sight
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What Barry Windham may have lacked in charisma, he more than made up for in athleticism and in looking like a legitimate badass.
To me he would have been a believable long-term world champ just based on those two attributes. That was all he needed.
And while he was no Ric or :arn: on the mic, I thought he was decent there too.
To me he would have been a believable long-term world champ just based on those two attributes. That was all he needed.
And while he was no Ric or :arn: on the mic, I thought he was decent there too.