Baldur's Gate 3 'Isn't Going to be on Game Pass', Insists Larian Boss

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Did Netflix give out Wednesday for free? If you're paying for a subscription service the content on the service isn't free.
Imagine selling crack at a fraction of the price then :pachaha:

They got something that’s more valuable then what game pass would offer them.. :manny:
 

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Imagine selling crack at a fraction of the price then :pachaha:

They got something that’s more valuable then what game pass would offer them.. :manny:
Which is why this was a dumb question to ask him. Game Pass is a Microsoft walled garden for Microsoft's benefit. Since Larian is not a Microsoft studio and they put out a GOTY level game that hasn't even had a discount on any console why would that game be coming to Game Pass anyway?

Not really understanding why a journalist would ask a dumb question like that.
 

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Since Larian is not a Microsoft studio and they put out a GOTY level game that hasn't even had a discount on any console why would that game be coming to Game Pass anyway?

If this is the expectation we all have for gamepass it’s not even worth arguing about why it’s failing to garner more attention. Everything else is just arguing for the sake of arguing
 

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First you say people aren't interested in sub services. You who subscribe to a subscription service from Sony and have a thread on it posting about it say this. Then after saying people aren't interested you imply under certain conditions it could work if certain games were on it.

You have a position on this and you aren't unbiased. You obviously don't want this to work and you're working backwards from that position to construct arguments.

This absolutely could work and people would want it. The problem is outside of Microsoft the industry itself does not see that model as desirable. The industry's business model isn't built to support it either.

Your final argument is actually closer to the truth than anything. The real problem with the Game Pass business model is the company pushing it doesn't seem to have the combination of vision and talent to make it work. They need to create popular quality games that go viral and get people to want to play them. Xbox has been around 20+ years and struggled to do that. You can't furnish this service with Starfield and Redfall level games and expect it to work. You need games of the quality level of Baldurs Gate. Microsoft hasn't put out industry leading games in a very long time. Even when they did it was just Halo for a period.

Microsoft is both the best and worst company to push this idea. The best because they have the capital to make it work and the worst because Xbox leadership has historically never been great at incubating great dev teams that make popular industry leading games over a long term. Microsoft has like 50 studios. Their first party is large enough to make it work. The problem is making it work requires something Microsoft has historically not been great at doing.

It probably does fail but not for your reasons but because leadership is too incompetent to put it all together. This day 1 list is not a list of games that captures the attention on main stream gamers.

Ill just say this, the Xbox from generations gone and the Xbox from current generation is vastly different, but you can't tell from the surface level. Xbox is now moving with the backing of MS and creating its own lane instead of trying to prove it's worth.

You also have to remember that 3rd party support is what has put every 1st party player on the top.

Nintendo rose to dominance with the NES and SNES

Sega was it's most popular with the Genesis, and for as popular as the Dreamcast was Sega trying to brute force a bunch of 1st party games and arcade games consistently to the console to make up for a lack of 3rd party support among other things was never a winning strategy same goes for MS and the Xbox/xbox360

PlayStation with the PS1 and 2.

Xbox with the Xbox 360.

Everyones favorite consoles are the ones that had a mix of banger 1st party and 3rd party.

The wii and wii u had some of the best Nintendo 1st party games people never played until ported to the switch.


Point being is Xbox is in prime position to continue to gain traction now that MS is fully on board, they are basically attempting to be there own 3rd party publisher within gamepass. I think they are probably the only one of the big 3 that didn't really have the full backing of the company out the gate or much sooner.
 

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Ill just say this, the Xbox from generations gone and the Xbox from current generation is vastly different, but you can't tell from the surface level. Xbox is now moving with the backing of MS and creating its own lane instead of trying to prove it's worth.

You also have to remember that 3rd party support is what has put every 1st party player on the top.

Nintendo rose to dominance with the NES and SNES

Sega was it's most popular with the Genesis, and for as popular as the Dreamcast was Sega trying to brute force a bunch of 1st party games and arcade games consistently to the console to make up for a lack of 3rd party support among other things was never a winning strategy same goes for MS and the Xbox/xbox360

PlayStation with the PS1 and 2.

Xbox with the Xbox 360.

Everyones favorite consoles are the ones that had a mix of banger 1st party and 3rd party.

The wii and wii u had some of the best Nintendo 1st party games people never played until ported to the switch.


Point being is Xbox is in prime position to continue to gain traction now that MS is fully on board, they are basically attempting to be there own 3rd party publisher within gamepass. I think they are probably the only one of the big 3 that didn't really have the full backing of the company out the gate or much sooner.
Xbox gets 3rd party support. Their problem is getting their internal studios to a level where there is a consistent stream of quality titles coming from them at a steady clip. I'm not saying they can't do that. They can but I just have my doubts.

Microsoft is more the hands off money guy with Xbox than the visionary. They aren't stepping in and creating / nurturing studios from a low level up They're just buying existing companies. When you buy companies like that the founders and visionaries almost always end up leaving because they don't want to be under a giant corporation.

Look at Rare. Microsoft bought them, the founders left and Rare today is a ghost of it's former self when they were one of the hottest studios in the business.

Look at Naughty Dog. Sony bought them, the founders left and Naughty Dog today is one of the hottest game devs in the industry. Their success level has drastically increased since before purchase.

Most of the best studios at Sony and Nintendo started out as smaller studios they purchased and turned into juggernauts over time themselves or in Nintendo's case many are completely internally developed.
 

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Look at Rare. Microsoft bought them, the founders left and Rare today is a ghost of it's former self when they were one of the hottest studios in the business.

Look at Naughty Dog. Sony bought them, the founders left and Naughty Dog today is one of the hottest game devs in the industry. Their success level has drastically increased since before purchase.
Currently ND floundering trying to create something Rare was able to do.

How you type this shyt out with a straight face :dwillhuh:
 

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Currently ND floundering trying to create something Rare was able to do.

How you type this shyt out with a straight face :dwillhuh:
You really wanna sit up here and act like Rare and Naughty Dog exist in the same stratosphere with each other? Rare has been wondering the wilderness since they split from Nintendo.

When was the last time Rare made a game nominated for any GOTY award at a popular outlet?
 

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@Gizmo_Duck difference is, i can be honest about this stuff.

Yes, TLOU2 was very successful. Even with that great success ND has now squandered years and a bunch of money trying to chase what Rare accomplished.

ND has bled talent, they’ve had a rough couple years and they are literally living off remasters right now.

That’s all facts. But you weirdos don’t deal in facts only narratives.

Like 343i has sold approximately the same amount of games as ND during their existence, but according to y’all 343 is an abject failure and ND is one of the best studios on the planet.

Rare is at their largest and most profitable, with the most fan engagement they’ve ever had, but according to y’all Microsoft ran them into the ground.

Like i said before reality/numbers don’t add up to the narratives you stan’s spew. You just say stuff and keep repeating it until you all believe your own reality :smh:
 

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You really wanna sit up here and act like Rare and Naughty Dog exist in the same stratosphere with each other? Rare has been wondering the wilderness since they split from Nintendo.

When was the last time Rare made a game nominated for any GOTY award at a popular outlet?
GOTY argument is stupid as fukk. It means absolutely nothing. We just learned that not even the Game awards actually cares about the awards.

But if you go back though the years. SOT has won plenty of awards for what rare was able to accomplish.

Your post talked about success as a studio and losing talent.

ND just threw their whole shyt in the bushes trying to reach for something rare has accomplished.

Right now in 2023 Rare is in a much better place than ND. And those are facts.
 

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ND has bled talent, they’ve had a rough couple years and they are literally living off remasters right now.

What has Rare released since 2020? Besides a teaser for a game that is pretty much vaporware lol

You talk about Naughty Dog not being able to make GAAS but Rare hasn’t been able to make a succcessful single player game since they left Nintendo 20 years ago. Sea of Thieves wasn’t even successful for a number of years which is not the path naughty dog and sony want to travel in killing an other wise successful studio to make what equals to a sea of thieves

These aren’t numbers worth sacrificing your studio for

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What has Rare released since 2020? Besides a teaser for a game that is pretty much vaporware lol
They have an ongoing GAAS that continually brings in money and customers.

You know, the thing ND almost threw their whole studio in the bushes trying to accomplish.

This is like asking, “what’s fortnight done since 2017”

Sony stan’s crazy :mjlol:
 

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They have an ongoing GAAS that continually brings in money and customers.

That just proves the point, they basically require all their resources just trying to fix the disaster they put out on launch and the current numbers they are getting really aren’t anything to rave about.

No one here plays sea of thieves, not even you for as much as you cape for it. Everyone here will play the next naughty dog game, day one. Thats the difference between these two studios, rare lost their prestige decades ago, all they have to show for their effort are dead kinect games and a cartoony pirate game no one here actually cares about
 
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