Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[Shaman]

Also, who/what gives a 'big c' Creator any intrinsic value? The Creator's Creator? Or, if the Creator was not created and has always existed, then HOW does the Creator have any value - since you stated that to have any value you have to have "a transcendent, moral, valuable, intrinsically worthy first cause"

 

[blackslash]

Ok. What's your point? You think non-religious people don't already know this?

My point is I dnt understand how atheists goin around condemning people or talm bout human rights..or say one culture is more evil or one type of behavior is more evil than another when based on their worldview..those things dont exist on an objective level.

On an objective level according to the naturalistic worldview

We have no rights
We have no worth

And when I say objective in case you dont know, i mean outside of worth/rights given to us by culture/state/govt.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

believe in objective morality and live as though humans are of any value?

Honest question..Im taking a lil break from my Hov stannery, sorry brehs

But anyways how can an atheist do things like fight for human rights?

Or believe in objective morality as a whole?

Correct me if Im wrong but atheists believe that we arent created we are jus here...products of time, chance and matter.

If thats the case, doesnt that mean objectively we are beings of no value
And without value, morality cant exist.

So how is it Im seeing Atheist nikkaz tryna talk about human rights, being good, and sht when based on the claim of their beliefs...that sht doesnt exist

Because it's just that, objective. One doesn't need to believe in God to know that curbstomping an infant would be wrong, that's just common sense and basic human morality.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

You're not getting what Im saying

The question of evil and good revolves around value and worth.

Maybe it does to you, but what you've described here is the OPPOSITE of objective morality.

 

[woodblock]

Im not saying that..Im saying how can you claim to believe one thing but then live and believe things about people contrary to the worldview you claim to have

You see a contradiction when really there isn't one. I think humans have value because they're human - I don't see why there needs to be a justification beyond that. To be totally honest, I think everyone reasons in this way on some level, religious or not. When you hear about some innocent getting hurt or killed, do you feel bad because you think "wow, that person has value in the eyes of a transcendent creator, and so it's bad that something bad happened to them"? No man, you just think "shyt, that's bad". Because you're a human just like them.

 

[woodblock]

It seems to me like you're assigning your natural empathy which exists anyway to the fact that you believe in a God. Don't do yourself down like that.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Why is it an atheist will attack you personally when you question their belief? You a dumb ass if you have faith in a higher power and a dumb ass if you question their belief system trying to gage the mindset behind it?

 

[blackslash]

Because it's just that, objective. One doesn't need to believe in God to know that curbstomping an infant would be wrong, that's just common sense and basic human morality.

You know its wrong..but how can you give an accounting for what is good and what is bad?

If the universe is just time and chance acting on matter then what is "horrible",
what is "terrible", what is "wrong"?

Of course you can feel a certain way before you can give accounting for it but based on the naturalistic worldview, how do you give an accounting for whats good or bad?

 

[Ain't That Something]

Because it's just that, objective. One doesn't need to believe in God to know that curbstomping an infant would be wrong, that's just common sense and basic human morality.

No breh! Common sense is subjective culture! Morality is instilled through a sense of reprisal of wrong doing from a higher power whether it be God, Allah, Buddha, ect... If I am meant to die unto obscurity with no eternal repercussion than I can do whatever I please if within the precept of the society that I can get away with or feel embolden to get away with

 

[blackslash]

Maybe it does to you, but what you've described here is the OPPOSITE of objective morality.

No because personhood is inextricably bound to the question of morality.

In other words..you cant raise up a question of morality that doesnt have to do with personhood

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Atheists adhere to laws not morals. They bow to men, not God.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Some religious person makes this thread every month.

 

[blackslash]

Some religious person makes this thread every month.

Nah Im jus a Hov stan takin a break

 

[MIAlien]

believe in objective morality and live as though humans are of any value?

Honest question..Im taking a lil break from my Hov stannery, sorry brehs

But anyways how can an atheist do things like fight for human rights?

Or believe in objective morality as a whole?

Correct me if Im wrong but atheists believe that we arent created we are jus here...products of time, chance and matter.

If thats the case, doesnt that mean objectively we are beings of no value
And without value, morality cant exist.

So how is it Im seeing Atheist nikkaz tryna talk about human rights, being good, and sht when based on the claim of their beliefs...that sht doesnt exist

Despite all the backlash, it's a good question. Many believers and religious people haven't considered where else these rights could come from, but it's just as simple as coming from a God, but a lot closer to reality.

Believers tend to think they have natural rights, bestowed upon them by God at birth. That's a simple enough answer for them. For atheists, these fundamental human rights spring from our rationality, the same thing that leads many of us to the truth that there is no god.

In order for people to live and maximize their happiness and potential, we must all agree to a certain set of rules that allows us all to coexist and live without fear. It's just the Social Contract Theory, and it all stems from rational human thought.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Nah Im jus a Hov stan takin a break

Why are blaspheming against your god by using his name in vain to describe that desert ungulate knowing it's one of the 10 commandments and could sentence you to eternal torture?