At What Point Did HBO Fall Off?

Piff Perkins

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Seems like that transition from True Blood to GoT is when it really started looking bad. Yea GoT had many years where it was a good show, and the popularity was insane...but I never viewed it as a premier show like Sopranos or The Wire. It felt like a better True Blood...something that was more pop culture and mainstream, the blockbuster show that brought the dollars in. They never balanced it out with a truly great show. There was True Detective S1 which was truly great...but that momentum didn't continue with the next season.

They have all these trivial comedies now, I don't get it. I've heard Succession is good but the little I've seen feels like a semi-serious Arrested Development. That vibe isn't for me. I agree they need some type of crime drama. One thing I will say about GoT, as a big fan of the books: it followed in the footsteps of previous HBO shows that subverted expectations. It was a fantasy show yet wasn't truly a "fantasy" show (well, until the last shytty seasons). Just like The Wire wasn't really a cop show, and The Sopranos wasn't really a mafia show. They need to tap into that again.

I think this next GoT show is gonna be a disappointment btw. They picked the right era/theme for a prequel (Aegon's Conquest, leading up to the Dance Of Dragons) and yes there will be a looot of dragons and Targaryens...but it will miss the deep characterization that GoT had.The characters of GoT made it a smash hit, not just dragons. Whereas there isn't a whole lot of written characterization of the characters we will see in the prequel. We know who Aegon Targaryen and Bloodraven and Lyonel Baratheon are, and there are great stories about them in the books...but it's mainly lore. It's not chapter after chapter of deep characterization, quotes, emotions, etc. I don't trust HBO writers to nail that or flesh out those characters. Will it be as bad as D&D? Probably not. But still...
 

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Seems like that transition from True Blood to GoT is when it really started looking bad. Yea GoT had many years where it was a good show, and the popularity was insane...but I never viewed it as a premier show like Sopranos or The Wire. It felt like a better True Blood...something that was more pop culture and mainstream, the blockbuster show that brought the dollars in. They never balanced it out with a truly great show. There was True Detective S1 which was truly great...but that momentum didn't continue with the next season.

They have all these trivial comedies now, I don't get it. I've heard Succession is good but the little I've seen feels like a semi-serious Arrested Development. That vibe isn't for me. I agree they need some type of crime drama. One thing I will say about GoT, as a big fan of the books: it followed in the footsteps of previous HBO shows that subverted expectations. It was a fantasy show yet wasn't truly a "fantasy" show (well, until the last shytty seasons). Just like The Wire wasn't really a cop show, and The Sopranos wasn't really a mafia show. They need to tap into that again.

I think this next GoT show is gonna be a disappointment btw. They picked the right era/theme for a prequel (Aegon's Conquest, leading up to the Dance Of Dragons) and yes there will be a looot of dragons and Targaryens...but it will miss the deep characterization that GoT had.The characters of GoT made it a smash hit, not just dragons. Whereas there isn't a whole lot of written characterization of the characters we will see in the prequel. We know who Aegon Targaryen and Bloodraven and Lyonel Baratheon are, and there are great stories about them in the books...but it's mainly lore. It's not chapter after chapter of deep characterization, quotes, emotions, etc. I don't trust HBO writers to nail that or flesh out those characters. Will it be as bad as D&D? Probably not. But still...

act like The Night of, Chernobyl, Watchmen, Barry, The Leftovers and Big Little lies s1 don't exist brehs
 

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act like The Night of, Chernobyl, Watchmen, Barry, The Leftovers and Big Little lies s1 don't exist brehs
act like The Night of, Chernobyl, Watchmen, Barry, The Leftovers and Big Little lies s1 don't exist brehs
Two of those are miniseries. I loved The Night Of, haven't seen Chernobyl yet but I've heard it's amazing. Heard good things about Barry. Isn't Watchmen a one season thing?

Where are the longstanding premier shows. Yes they still have great content but it's packaged differently, and I feel like these miniseries really make the absence of a premier multi season show more prominent
 

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:hhh: what? HBgOat ran 2019.

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One of these days we'll be blessed with an HBO smiley :wow:
 

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Two of those are miniseries. I loved The Night Of, haven't seen Chernobyl yet but I've heard it's amazing. Heard good things about Barry. Isn't Watchmen a one season thing?

Where are the longstanding premier shows. Yes they still have great content but it's packaged differently, and I feel like these miniseries really make the absence of a premier multi season show more prominent
Who cares would you rather them be show time and run shows for 7 seasons too long?
 

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I feel like they're putting out hits but they're just not clicking with me. Last show I watched to completion from HBO was Chernobyl.

His Dark Materials (which probably doesn't count as HBO) was ass to me. Don't care about Watchmen. :yeshrug:
 
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