As a father, I am wondering if Black music is stagnating...

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I used Future as an example that the music has changed. It continues to change. It’s just not really change that you or I may hear or care to hear :yeshrug:
Youre not hearing me. I respect the trap innovators, but I dont think the sound has progressed in like 8 years. It'd be like if every record from 93-2001 sounded exactly like 36 Chamber and Enta Da Stage.

Southern Hip Hop -> Trap -> Drill -> Codeine Rap -> Codeine rap -> more codeine rap
 

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Youre not hearing me. I respect the trap innovators, but I dont think the sound has progressed in like 8 years. It'd be like if every record from 93-2001 sounded exactly like 36 Chamber and Enta Da Stage.

Southern Hip Hop -> Trap -> Drill -> Codeine Rap -> Codeine rap -> more codeine rap
Trap from 8 years ago sounds nothing like trap today
 

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Youre not hearing me. I respect the trap innovators, but I dont think the sound has progressed in like 8 years. It'd be like if every record from 93-2001 sounded exactly like 36 Chamber and Enta Da Stage.

Southern Hip Hop -> Trap -> Drill -> Codeine Rap -> Codeine rap -> more codeine rap

The hottest rapper right now has to be Da Baby and he’s not a codeine rapper

Arguably the newest innovation in rap is actually going back to some semblance of lyricism.

Old Town Road was marketed as a country song, but the reason it rang off was because it’s a rap song.

Also, currently we are in a resurgence of female rappers being popular. The hottest song was by Meg The Stallion, Cardi B won best rap album. There are a ton of female rappers kinda bubbling

Again I’m not saying I’m a huge fan of these changes or trying to defend them, but if you actually look at what’s hot to the kids, even they don’t mess with only codeine rap anymore.
 

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The hottest rapper right now has to be Da Baby and he’s not a codeine rapper

Arguably the newest innovation in rap is actually going back to some semblance of lyricism.

Old Town Road was marketed as a country song, but the reason it rang off was because it’s a rap song.

Also, currently we are in a resurgence of female rappers being popular. The hottest song was by Meg The Stallion, Cardi B won best rap album. There are a ton of female rappers kinda bubbling

Again I’m not saying I’m a huge fan of these changes or trying to defend them, but if you actually look at what’s hot to the kids, even they don’t mess with only codeine rap anymore.
Da Baby would be doin his thing in any era. You right about the thottie rap though.

shyt its hard to innovate everything's been done :ehh:
 

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Not saying there isn't good stuff out there or everything is "trash" (though I am biased to 90s hip hop & R&B since that is when I came of age). But seriously, my kids are starting to get into music and what is primarily out there is rap and pop music. Which is a variation of what was out when I was growing up. It's different in that my parents listened to different genres of music than me (Motown, 70s R&B/Funk) and my grandparents listened to different genres of music than them (blues, big band jazz/swing, gospel) and my great grandparents were straight old Negro Spirituals. Every generation couldn't understand how the newer generation could listen to that new "crap" as each generation called it.

Basically Black people innovated a whole new genre of music, not just new faces, once every 20-30 years in the 20th century. That's not even counting genres that cribbed Black music styles like Rock & Roll and modern pop/dance music. Hip hop rules the world now, which is cool in a way, but I am worried about there being no progress. Maybe the huge inflow of money has spoiled people. My pops theory is that now Black folks are getting money on the producing side, unlike when he was a kid, they are getting lazy and happy to push trash that sells. When Black artists were getting shafted, innovation was basically the only way to try to get ahead.

But maybe I'm just getting old.
Disco and then hip hop stunted the growth and development of Black music here.
Samples, interpolations and copying of earlier music is how it's been since mid 1980s.


I think Funk was the final evolution of music, anyway.
 

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...so maybe...if it's been discussed a million times and nothing has changed/improved...

...that means it might be stagnant.











Fakkut.
No the convo has obvious answers

people just want to passively aggressive shyt on current hip hop
 

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Not saying there isn't good stuff out there or everything is "trash" (though I am biased to 90s hip hop & R&B since that is when I came of age). But seriously, my kids are starting to get into music and what is primarily out there is rap and pop music. Which is a variation of what was out when I was growing up. It's different in that my parents listened to different genres of music than me (Motown, 70s R&B/Funk) and my grandparents listened to different genres of music than them (blues, big band jazz/swing, gospel) and my great grandparents were straight old Negro Spirituals. Every generation couldn't understand how the newer generation could listen to that new "crap" as each generation called it.

Basically Black people innovated a whole new genre of music, not just new faces, once every 20-30 years in the 20th century. That's not even counting genres that cribbed Black music styles like Rock & Roll and modern pop/dance music. Hip hop rules the world now, which is cool in a way, but I am worried about there being no progress. Maybe the huge inflow of money has spoiled people. My pops theory is that now Black folks are getting money on the producing side, unlike when he was a kid, they are getting lazy and happy to push trash that sells. When Black artists were getting shafted, innovation was basically the only way to try to get ahead.

But maybe I'm just getting old.

i was listening to Khalid albums the other day and a lot of his music clean. i can only recall one track where he said "muthafukka" repeatedly. i was thinking this dude is gonna be big because theirs a huge lane for clean music that parents approve of thats catchy across all racial demographics.
 

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i was listening to Khalid albums the other day and a lot of his music clean. i can only recall one track where he said "muthafukka" repeatedly. i was thinking this dude is gonna be big because theirs a huge lane for clean music that parents approve of thats catchy across all racial demographics.
Kids are going to listen to whatever they want to just like you did
 

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“Rap” is such a nebulous and broad term that it kinda masks some of the innovation you’re talking about....like someone already said a Future song doesn’t really sound any closer stylistically to a Pac song than a James Brown one sounds like a Jodeci track... this shyt that these Juice Wrld/Uzi Vert/XXXTenacion ass nikkas are doing ain’t even really “rap” as I knew it... but it kinda just gets thrown under the umbrella... same dynamic with a lot of this new age rnb
 

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Youre not hearing me. I respect the trap innovators, but I dont think the sound has progressed in like 8 years. It'd be like if every record from 93-2001 sounded exactly like 36 Chamber and Enta Da Stage.

Southern Hip Hop -> Trap -> Drill -> Codeine Rap -> Codeine rap -> more codeine rap
You need your ears checked then
 

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Kids are going to listen to whatever they want to just like you did

Up to a certain age parents are the stewards of the music children are exposed to. I listened to what i wanted when i was a 12years old and only when my parents weren't within hearing distance.
 
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